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New School Hours Part of Revamped Transportation Plan

Several routes eliminated as more state funding cuts loom.

 

Students at Oswego School District 308 elementary schools will start and end school either 10 minutes earlier or 10 minutes later next year.

Staggering the start times at the schools is part of the district’s revamped 2012-13 transportation plan, which was unanimously approved by the board Monday night. The plan should save the district about $575,000 in its first year.

The changes come as the state of Illinois contemplates changing the funding formula for how it reimburses local school districts for transportation costs. That change, which would be based on the number of students and miles driven, could mean the district will see about $700,000 less from the state on top about $5 million in cuts that have come in recent years.

Angie Smith, the district’s director of businesses services who oversees transportation, presented the board with her final plan Monday. Apart from the new start times at the elementary school and moving the start time for the high schools ahead 10 minutes, the district will outfit its buses with GPS devices, purchase four 14-passenger activity buses to more efficiently transport small groups of students for activities and cut several routes altogether.

Students that live within 1.5 milies of a their school who will no longer have a bus option include:

  • Students who cross Hafenrichter Road to attend Homestead Elementary
  • Students who cross Fifth street to attend Churchill Elementary and Plank Junior High
  • Students who cross Wooley Road to attend Traughber Junior High
  • Students who reside in Morgan’s Crossing and Deerpath Trails attending Prairie Point Elementary
  • Students who reside in Amber Fields North attending the Wheatlands Elementary
  • Students who reside within Lakewood Valley and Amber Fields attending Wolf’s Crossing Elementary and Bednarcik Junior High
  • Majority of students in Grande Park (proper)
  • Students attending Grande Park Elementary crossing over Ridge Road bridge
  • Majority of Hunt Club 
  • Some areas in Boulder Hill attending Thompson Junior High

In most cases, elimination of the bus service will include the addition of crossing guards, cross walks and local traffic control devices to provide a safe route to school, Smith said. In addition, the Oswegoland Park District also has agreed to plow several of its walking paths during winter months to help students who were once bused but now will walk.

Along with the route elimination, the district will also outfit its buses with GPS devices. Though the district will spend $125,000 to begin the program, Smith estimated the units could save the district about $250,000 annually.

Though improved driver efficiency is the main goal of installing the units, Smith said they will also be able to provide parents with real-time updates as to a bus’ location, the bus’ speed, monitor pickup and drop-off times and give the district the ability to track ridership numbers.

Board member Laurie Pasteris asked whether busing students across the district to the all-day kindergarten center at East View Elementary or to Hunt Club Elementary for the Dual  Language program were fees that could be passed on to parents.

“These are not mandated programs,” she said. "... To me, it’s like the elephant in the room.”

Smith said the all-day kindergarten program actually makes the district about $1.1 million annually. That money comes mostly in the form of state reimbursement. She also said that English Language Learners, which make up a large portion of the Dual Language student population, ultimately would need to be bused somewhere in the district.

Smith said she expects some negative reaction from parents and has heard from a handful of Homestead parents with safety concerns. Board member Mike Scaramuzzi said parents would be wise to direct their anger toward the state, which is imposing the continued transportation cuts. 

Editor's note: This story has been updated to more accurately reflect the source of revenue of the distirct's all-day kindergarten program. 

Related Topics: Oswego School District 308, State of Illinois funding cuts, and transportation plan

SportsMaMa

6:42 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Once again, do not increase the pay of the new superintendents and Homestead can keep their buses. Gotta love our district, shelling even more money for new hires. What about the teachers, you don't think they deserve a raise? Or put the $40,000 increase onto the education of our children, they are the future, not the new hires for the superintendent positions.

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Con Tam

12:07 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

The teachers are paid plenty fair and get raises every year....some are overpaid. NO teacher should be making six figures for nine months of work. http://mortongrove.suntimes.com/5679128-417/database-search-for-illinois-teacher-and-administrator-salaries.html

SportsMaMa

6:42 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Once again, do not increase the pay of the new superintendents and Homestead can keep their buses. Gotta love our district, shelling even more money for new hires. What about the teachers, you don't think they deserve a raise? Or put the $40,000 increase onto the education of our children, they are
the future, not the new hires for the superintendent positions.

Tina Conley

6:54 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

So Smith presents "her" plan, then says "Don't blame me, blame the state"?

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Mommy4gbbg

11:37 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

"Board member Mike Scaramuzzi said parents would be wise to direct their anger toward the state, which is imposing the continued transportation cuts."

Smith didn't say blame the state, the board member above did. Just clarifying...

Walt Hines

7:25 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

This is just the beginning of the cuts we're going to see. I see the state going bankrupt followed by Dist 308. Both should have thought about the spending long ago, not waiting for the bottom to fall out. We're in serious trouble folks!!!!

Wally Pickens

7:42 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Isn't this nice, cutting buses and bus routes, changing start times. If you look at your tax bill, education taxes went up, but they are cutting services? I don't get it?

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russ harrison

8:16 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Wally,
You have a son at Prairie Point Elementary, live in Prairie Point Subdivision, and yet demand a waiver for your daughter to attend Hunt Club School, which requires busing for her. She is not in the dual language program, so there really isn't any valid reason for the taxpayer to foot her transportation cost when she could easily stroll over to the school that most of her neighbors attend. That sort of situation, as innocent as it may be perceived by the beneficiary, is part of the reason that the transportation costs have escalated over the years. Also, as you knew that you may not have a child attending Hunt Club this year, why did you run for the Hunt Club Home and School organization Treasurer position? I would expect that you would be forced to resign from that position iof you don't have a student in the school....just sayin'...

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Wally Pickens

12:16 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Russ, before you open your mouth, you should get FACTS, by the way Facts can be defined as THE TRUTH!!
1.I do not live in Prairie Point subdivision
2. my daughter is NOT bused to Hunt Club, I DRIVE HER to the school
3.She IS going to Hunt Club next year
So rising costs are not in part to my family, what about your kids that go to Hunt Club, it is not nessecery for them to be in dual language, that is your choice, but they are bused across town to the school.

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Wally Pickens

9:50 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Again Russ, you are opening your mouth WITHOUT having the FACTS. I DO NOT live in or near Prairie Point School. I have petitioned for my child to attend Hun Club as I have had do since Eastview closed, as to not disrupt my childs growth and friendship. If you had the FACTS, you would know that if you petition for your kids to go to a school other than their homeschool THE PARENT HAS TO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION, the district WILL NOT bus kids to another school. You want your kids in the dual language program, it is NOT REQUIRED for them to go, so why should the taxpayers pay for your kids to be bused, why can't you drive them like I do.

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russ harrison

11:18 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Wally, now I may be a bit confused, and I'm sure it's not from the pot I smoked in the Army almost 40 years ago...but several people stated that you said you were in the Prairie Point Elementary boundaries according to the new districts. But..., the roster for Hunt Club Elementary has you living outside of that district., In fact, it shows that you actually live only 1 mile away from Fox Chase Elementary School. If I am wrong about the Prairie Point boundary residence I apologize. But, if you live only a mile from Fox Chase, why would you want to have your kid going to a school that is hosting a program you are adamantly opposed to (dual language)?
Several people have stated that you claimed Prairie Point as your boundary, okay, they could be wrong about that. But the last time I checked, your street was fully inside the Fox Chase boundary area...and definitely NOT inside the Hunt Club boundary area, neither the new or old boundaries.
I can see where someone can get confused after the Eastview closure a few years ago, but I am reasonably sure most people would be able to locate a school a mile from their house. So unless Fox Chase is a title One school that isn't meeting progress(308 has several) I'm just curious as to why the insistence of attending Hunt Club, Its great that you drive your kid to Hunt Club, but it doesn't mean the district is not obligated to provide transportation, it just means we taxpayers pay for a service that is unused. Just Sayin'...

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russ harrison

11:51 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Wally,
Just to clarify, a condition of a waiver to allow a student to attend a school outside their boundaries is that the parent MUST be responsible for getting them to and from school. But...the transportation data and accounting for busing requirements is based upon the number of school age students residing in the transportation guidelines (now 1.5 miles) from the school they attend. In other words, depending on who is doing the paperwork, a kid that ;lives over 1.5 miles away from the school that they attend, incurrs a transportation expense regardless of how they actually get to their school. (Anyone ever have that "we paid for it so take the damn bus instead of walking" argument from their folks as a kid?) But again, if there were any school to get a waiver for, I would think it would be for the same school that the sibling attends out of boundary, not an entirely different out of boundary school...

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Wally Pickens

6:55 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Russ I am not against dual language if it is to teach english, that is the language of this country. I am tired of everything being written in spanish, I'm tired of having to push "1" for english. Back to the point at hand, my kids went to Eastview for specials learning, when it closed, most of my kids friends went to Hunt Club, so they wanted to go there and be with their friends. Since it has been 3 years, I do not believe in disrupting my kids friendship or learning program, so we petition to keep them where they are, and the district WILL NOT provide transportation if you petition for a different school. so in the end what we do is not effected by tax dollars.

What about your kids, the district say any more than 3 kids from one family, school fees are waived, do you pay for all 5 of your kids school fees? An d do your kids get reduced or free luches? If any of this is true, than it's the taxpayers that foot the bill for your kids to go to school, just saying.

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Dianna Hunter

8:29 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Wally, my kids have been tossed around due to boundary changings, new school openings, etc. Looking back I wish I had petitioned to keep them at the same elementary from K-5. Good for you! And you raise another good point ... why do people with more than 3 kids get a discount on registration? That one floors me every year when I fill out registration packets. If anything should be waived, it should be the waiver out of the registration fees!

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Mandy

9:46 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Mr. Harrison I see you think that Mr. Pickens is opposed of the dual lag. program it is not that He and others like myself are opposed to the program nor the children what we are opposed of is the way the school thinks they are trying to " blend" them with the " english " speaking kids and by the way so sick of the labels with these kids they are our children !! For example today my children will be listening to the DL students perform what they will be signing to there mothers tonight for mothers day , why isnt it for both????? thats my problem Mr.Harrison and many more parents and it should also be your problem and the other DL parents because it would be nice for ALL are kids to be treated equally!!!

crystal

7:46 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Time to really think if moving OUT of this school dist is an option...time to start preparing. My kids education I hope does not start to different for someone elses pay!!

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Rachael B.

10:10 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

If I could sell my house, I'd move tomorrow! This school district stinks.

Dianna Hunter

7:52 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I think this is a positive move made by the school administrators. Throughout the entire state, If you are within 1.5 miles of the school, you are a walker. Prairie Point kids have been crossing Route 71 for years. About time the kids at Churchill and Plank cross over Fifth Street. This is a great opportunity for parents to step up to be crossing guards. After all, these are your kids.

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Jane Enviere

10:52 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I think you mean Grove Rd., not 71.

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Dianna Hunter

8:30 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Yes, it is Grove Road and not Plainfield Road. Both are very busy roads and the children are able to cross safely due to the installation of flashing lights and a lower speed limit.

Judith Vogt

7:58 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I think we all need to get involved in this before it is too late. I suggest joining forces and coming up with plans to save our homes and schools. Lets all meet on Tuesday May 15 at 7:00 at Oswego East. If you really care about this show up on Tuesday.

Sally Jamieson

7:59 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

The State is certainly not blameless, but neither is the school district. They keep spending money they don't have, and reaching into taxpayers' pockets when they need more. It doesn't make sense to raise pay for new hires and then cut transportation of our children. Is this in the best interest of the students? This is what we are always hearing. Obviously it's all talk. Quit the finger pointing and start coming up with ways to make things work. They cannot justify raises in pay at the same time they cut transportation.

russ harrison

7:59 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Frugal doesn't mean cheap...it means getting the best bang for the buck. Unfortunately, the past 10 years have been anything but frugal, for both the state and the district. Now we have to pay the piper for the lack of restraint in the past. This board has tough decisions, but increasing pay to the administration was not one of their best, especially when there are no recordings of the process. The State is not coming to the rescue, or even paying their portion anytime soon. It is what it is and my personal opinion is that our finances for kids education has achieved the point where it is now at a diminishing return. In other words, the current education is about as good as it will get for a while, and the future educational quality will most likely dip due to economics.

littlebit

8:02 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Ever since Grande Park opened, we have been bussing students who live across the street to attend. The board should of stopped bussing them years ago, after the bridge was finished.

Oswego Parent

8:13 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

This is a mighty long list of subdivisions NOT getting bus service. Who IS ACTUALLY getting it?? Doesn't appear Wolf's Crossing will have any bus service or Homestead.

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Dianna Hunter

8:32 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

While the subdivisions may not be receiving transportation for the elementary school, the jr high and high school students will be bused.

Paul Lark

8:27 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I'd love to see an independent audit to see if all day kindergarten brings in 1.1MM profit (her word, although she did correct herself) a year. Making a claim like that really needs certified backup.

One quesition I thought of while watching her presentation, will parents be able to access via a website the ability to track busses? Quoting...Smith said they will also be able to provide parents with real-time updates as to a bus’ location, the bus’ speed, monitor pickup and drop-off times and give the district the ability to track ridership numbers". She didn't say how it would be accomplished.

All the adminstration can do is react when our leaders in Springfield keep changing their minds on a yearly basis. What makes matters worse is its' an election year and the political lipservice will be nauseating.

Here are two of the big ones being talked about...

- Shift funding of teachers pensions onto the local taxpayer
- Look at shifting cost of transportation onto the local taxpayer

Just food for thought when November comes around.

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Dianna Hunter

8:59 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I TOTALLY agree with the lack of income by the all-day kindergarten. If the program brings in the quoted $1.1 million, then let's hear what the expenses are. Page 14 of this report shows that the fee is only an additional $250. http://www.oswego308.org/assets/5/teaching_and_learning/FDK_ParentNight.pdf. I would hope that would be per month but this presentation only states it as a $250 fee. That would be the tuition for 4,400 full-time kindergartners to bring in $1.1 million. Even at $250 per month that price is lower than any local day cares. And you know, folks, the parents opting for full-day kindergarten are using the program as day care. What is the expense of using East View (remember all the recent money put in last year to prepare it), heating, air conditioning, water, teachers, music teacher, art teacher, gym teachers, principal, secretaries, etc., etc. The least the parents can do who are opting for this "optional" program is to provide their own transportation.

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CRSmom

9:43 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Dianna Hunter - WOW! Pretty bold statement saying that parents opting for full-day kindergarten are using the program as daycare. Please reveal your research source. As a teacher in a local public school district, I can tell you with 100% certainty that there is proof upon proof that full day kindergarten is benefical to students in every way possible - specifically ACADEMICALLY. The country is moving towards full-day kindergarten because of how it benefits children - not because they want to provide all day daycare. Are you that naive to think Oswego put full-day K in place as daycare (paying certified teachers to babysit - pretty insulting to all certified teachers!!) My child, who will be in full-day k next year, has been in daycare for 3 years and preK at Brokaw for 2. The daycare curriculum NO WHERE NEAR meets ISBE Common Core Standards for Kinder (and no where near compares ISBE Preschool For All Standards). Full day kindergarten is not even close to comparable to daycare. My child's preK teacher recommended full-day K based on her academic level - specifically she believes 1/2 day will not be challenging enough. Other students will benefit from the opposite of full-day kindergarten (i.e. getting more help for things they need academically or special ed. related). In my opinion, and I believe if you ask any elementary school teacher they would also agree, full-day kindergarten should be in ever public school district. Get your facts straight.

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Jane Enviere

11:31 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I don't agree with the word choice on parents opting for FDK as "daycare", but I would expect that the numbers bear out what I've seen in my own experiences as a parent in this area, and with few exceptions, all of the families we know with children in FDK are 2 parent working households. I believe that they have chosen FDK because it provides an extended academic experience that is beneficial for their students and it certainly does make for one less childcare headache. I think for most people we know, more thought went into than simply using it as "daycare". That said, I prefer the option that friends of mine in another state have and that is where half day is standard and parents pay for full day if they want it. I'd be curious as to which would provide more revenue - that model or the pure state dollars model.

The district has had a messaging problem when it comes to FDK. On the one hand, they tell us that it's better for children, etc., etc., then on the other hand they have told us that half-day students will have the same amount of time spent on core curriculum but have specials thrown in. Fine except I can specifically recall an article in a local paper here a few years back where a KG teacher contradicted that by saying FDK provided more time to work with students on the basics. So, which is it? Personally, I see a lot of documented benefits to FDK but it's not in our kids' best interest to bounce between schools, so we make other arrangements.

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Dianna Hunter

8:38 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

CRSmom - my opinion is based on the fact of people that have had their child "in daycare for 3 years and preK at Brokaw for 2" Those folks are looking for full-time avenues to educate & babysit their child at work. Also, my opinion is based upon teachers I know at EastView who tell me the day is too long, the children are not focused in the afternoons, if the district should survey the teachers they would know the program is not working, etc.

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CRSmom

3:19 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Dianna Hunter - You must be a stay at home mom who has never had to work a day in her life. Good luck to you in your postings, as it is clear that your presumptious remarks have aggravated more than a few other readers. You must be a very knowledgeable source to your children. How sad!

Herm

8:46 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

What is a foot bridge for if not to allow walkers to cross a busy highway. Now that Murphy is opening, the walkers are going to increase in number. Any buses in that shool area should be eliminated. Remember when we were children, walking to school uphill both ways in waist deep snow. We were really tough, right???

Russell Pietrowiak

8:49 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I find it interesting that the district continually blames the state for it financial woes. For decades school boards including #308 gave teachers and administrators 20% raises as they neared retirement. One of the primary reasons they gave these crazy raises was to boost retirement pay, which the state, not the district pays for. Multiple this by the thousands of retires in TRS and it no wonder that retirement cost are eating up so much money. The state, which has no say in teacher and admin. salaries wants school districts to pay some of the retirement burden that the districts created. The thinking is this may help control cost long term. Why should the state be paying for the retirement of non-state employees, BTW the state doesn't pay for Chicago teacher retirements. While the 20% end if career raises aren't allowed anymore the effects of this long standing practice still are with us.

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Paul Lark

9:17 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I need to find the link but there are reports that the Chicago would look at having the State pitch in for teacher retirements with this new bill. It was a couple of Chicago reps who made the comment.

Walt Hines

8:51 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Paul nice report. I don't buy the 1.1 million. The state is not paying 5 so how are we getting the 1. I'd like to see the FOIA on this one

Russ thanks for the info. Wally time you stop wasting taxpayer money and send your child to their home school. I for one am sick and tired of the whining from others when they are part of the problem.

This is entire community needs to start demanding answers and become involved. The delete bottom will be pushed on this district and everyone will pay the price.

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russ harrison

10:34 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Walt Hines,
The point that seems to be getting lost by Wally is that just because he elects to drive his kid to a school that now falls outside of his boundaries, it does not eliminate the schools obligation to provide transportation to those students. Hunt Club will be a primarily dual language school next year, and Wally Pickens has publicly stated his adamant opposition to that program. His kid is not in the dual language program, so why is she going to Hunt Club? I feel you have a valid point in questioning whether there is an unnecessary expenditure in cases like this. I also don't think he understands that a dual language Kindergarten student pays a hefty premium for that privilege, I believe its an extra 220 bucks for full day kindergarten and dual language.

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Wally Pickens

7:01 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Again Russ, you don't have the FACTS, THE DISTRICT WILL NOT PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION FOR STUDENTS THAT ARE PETITIONED TO GO TO A DIFFERENT SCHOOL THAN THEIR HOME SCHOOL. So it is NOT an extra expense. It is not offered nor in the budget. How do you figure it is a unnecessary expense when it's not used, offered, or budgeted?

Just Sayin

9:23 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

With the GPS units installed in the buses, does that mean we won't be seeing the buses parked at grocery stores and Fox Valley Mall anymore?? It always ticks me off to see my tax dollars sitting at the grocery store!

CRSmom

9:25 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

"Smith said with the registration fees paid by parents, the all-day kindergarten program actually makes the district about $1.1 million annually."

I would like to see proof of this estimate. Oswego's full-day kindergarten progam registration fees for 2011-12 was $250/student. If you do the math, $1.1 million would mean there were 4,400 full day kindergarten students in 2011-12. Hard to believe they all fit inside Eastview!

The full-day kindergarten registration fee of $250 is double that of the highest fee in the district (Jr. High/High School $128). WHY is the fee double that of every other grade level in the district? For the fee, it would seem busing should be available.

On a side note, in general, WHY is Oswego's full day kindergarten registration fee so high, as compared to all other programs in 308, as well as compared to 2 local districts full day kindergartens?
Oswego's full day kindergarten registration fee was $250 (for 2011-12).
West Aurora's full day kindergarten registration fee is $90.
Indian Prairie's full day kindergarten registration fee is $105 (which includes a $30 technology fee).
http://sd129.org/registration/
http://ipsdweb.ipsd.org/Documents/1213/RegistrationPacket1213.pdf

As a parent of a 2012-13 full-day kindergarten parent, I would like some answers as to everything the fee covers.

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Eileen Bohlin

3:03 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I would love to know too!! I have don't know anyone that can give me a good answer!!

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Steven Jack

9:40 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Hey all, I'm seeking some clarification on the all-day kindergarten issues. I'll update the story when I get it. Thanks!

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Dianna Hunter

9:43 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

or perhaps start us on a new thread for full-day kindergarten issues. thanks

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Steven Jack

9:52 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

The $1.1 million in "revenue" for all-day kindergarten is generated through state reimbursements and not through registration fees. The fees essentially cover the costs of running the program. I apologize for the confusion. Hope that clears it up.

Julie DiCaro

10:42 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I would like to cordially invite the entire BOE to my house, at the corner of Eola and Keating, to make the walk, 1.4 miles, to Homestead Elementary, preferably in the rain or in two feet of snow. This is completely ridiculous. This BOE is total and complete clown shoes. What a bunch of incompetent self-interested buffoons.

Julie DiCaro

10:44 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Steven--just curious if it's true that the district pays $40k a year on cabs to bring homeless children into the district? Do you know?

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Dianna Hunter

12:28 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

See this article regarding the $45K spent on taxi service
http://ledgersentinel.com/article.asp?a=10329
Living in a shelter is homeless; moving in with a relative is not homeless.
You can blame the feds and not our district for this one

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Julie DiCaro

10:42 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I'm not blaming anyone--just asking the question. It seems there has to be a better way to deal with that situation than by hiring cabs.

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CRSmom

9:42 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Dianna Hunter - PLEASE check your facts before posting. If you look at the ISBE definition of Homelessness - YES, moving in with a relative is considered homeless. Based on your statements regarding full-day Kindergarten being used as daycare and your homeless comment - it appears you are not an educator. Please check your facts before posting.

"Both Illinois and federal law define “homeless.” Homeless students include, but are not limited to, children or youth who are: sharing the housing of other persons due to loss of housing, economic hardship, or a similar reason (commonly referred to as being “doubled up”); are living in motels, hotels, trailer parks, or camping grounds due to the lack of alternative adequate accommodations; are living in emergency or transitional shelters; are abandoned in hospitals; are awaiting foster care placement; are staying in public or private places not ordinarily used as sleeping accommodations; are living in cars, parks, public spaces, abandoned buildings, substandard housing, bus or train stations or similar settings; or are otherwise not residing in a fixed, regular and adequate nighttime residence. There is no specific time limit on how long a child or youth can be considered homeless. Whether a child or youth meets the definition of homeless depends on the living situation and the individual circumstances."

http://www.isbe.state.il.us/homeless/pdf/policy.pdf

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Robyn Vickers

12:47 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

@Julie, Angie Smith spoke about the cabs for homeless students at the last 2 BOE meetings. I agree the amount is staggering, but from what I recall, it's still cheaper to pay for the cabs than to run a 72 passenger bus to transport a couple of kids. I do hope they can find more ways to work cooperatively with neighboring district to help cut these costs more.

OswegoMom

11:07 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

It seems a lot of us knew this decision was coming. With the State ultimately cutting funding, the tightening of the purse strings on busing kids who lived less than 1.5 miles was inevitable. While I am not a fan of a lot of the Board's decisions as of late, I do not see this as a random decision by them. I know we (Homestead) aren't the first school to lose bus routes and some of our concerns may seem petty to those that have already gone through this in the past. I would like to hope that rather than complaining we can band together and work on making safe routes and more streamlined processes for us and our kids, as the other schools/subdivisions have worked through in the past. Whether that means following up with our local Alderman (who is already said to be working on this) to work on making safety issues minimal with signage or crossing guards; working with our school individually to help with the flow of increased Parent Pickup traffic; or setting up car pools and walk to school groups, I think we need to work together. We need to be advocates for our children's education and safety, and ultimately when we can not control the circumstances and decisions of others, we need to step up and do what we can to help find solutions and be aware of what is in our control.

Sheri O'Kain Reed

11:37 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Steven,
Can you obtain/post a copy of Angie's Smith's presentation that was approved by the board. I am interested in in the details.
Thanks

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OswegoMom

11:49 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Sheri - It was posted on the 308 website under the Agenda Item for Monday's Meeting. You can access through the Board Documents tab. Assuming it is still there.

Julie DiCaro

11:44 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I'm disturbed by the number of people who seem a) resigned to accept the BOE's decisions on everything and b) seem to think that, just because the Board gives us their time, their decisions shouldn't be questioned. For many of us, it's a bigger issue than just making the best of a bad situation. Many of us in my neighboorhood have one or more parents who work in downtown Chicago. Are we just supposed to send our kids off walking for 1.49 miles while we are off to the train? Now we have to form carpools, find additional child care, etc for these LONG walks. Perhaps I wouldn't be as upset if I were a stay-at-home mom or worked nearby, but not all of us are in that position.

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Dianna Hunter

12:33 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Think of this as expanding your network, meeting new neighbors, and everyone pitching in. I don't think this is a negative move. People are reluctant to change, but change we must when there is no money to fund the buses. Call the friendly folks at Prairie Point and ask how they have adapted. Their kids have been walkers for a few years now. They have to cross busy Plainfield Road. It can be done safely, the kids will form new friendships, parents will form new friendships, kids will be healthier. This is a win-win.

Jane Enviere

12:10 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I can understand the frustration about things, but the reality is that there just isn't enough money to go around. So funding transportation for students who live within the 1.5 mile mark seems like one of the items that should legitimately be considered as a possible expense reduction. Plenty of people have long commutes (we happen to be among those), but yeah...when you live within that mark, it's a parent's responsibility to arrange carpools, childcare, etc. That seems to be part of the standard job description. lol

I can understand differing opinions - they'll always be around and should be - but using people's trek to the city as a factor in support of continuing to fund unmandated transportation isn't the strongest position to take.

I'd rather see them go to the option that we had when I was a student in the 'burbs - parent-paid busing if you lived within a certain radius of the school but still within the "walking" zone. None of this negates the fact that people can still have real concerns and questions about the recent decision-making and still not necessarily feel that every decision made is wrong.

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Julie DiCaro

10:24 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I'm not "using my trek to the city" as an excuse for anything. The point is that many of the parents in our community have come to rely on bus service as a means of getting their children to school. We made life and career decisions based on this. It hasn't been something we've seen coming for a while, it's only been in the last few months that this has come up.

I'm really tired of people in certain communities telling people in others to "get over it" and "make the best of it." Homestead has been repeatedly screwed over by the BOE, and parents from other schools insist on telling us that we should get over it and move on. I realize that a lot of people walked to school as kids. That's great. A lot of us also rode buses to school. Expecting the school not to just rip transportation away from your kids one day is not unreasonable. Yes, walking is healthy. But I doubt many of you would make that argument about walking in the rain, or sleet, or two feet of snow. Again, I invite everyone to come to my house, walked AROUND Wheatland Park, across Barrington, up into Summit Chase, all the way along Colonial, across Hafenrichter, and to Homestead. It is a very long walk for even an adult--not to mention small children in inclimate weather. The idea that parents don't have the right to be angry about the constant reduction in services, when our property taxes continue to increase is absolutely ludicrous.

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Tina Conley

5:59 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

I think folks are frustrated as well "Jane" when the BOE says there is not enough money to go around so they cut bus service, yet agree to pay increases for new, un-hired administrators...behind closed doors with nobody recording the meetings. Parent paid bus service on top of the tax increase for the school? Where are these people supposed to get all this money? Working in Oswego? Nope, they trek to the city

Carl

12:41 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I have news for the BOE. About half of Harbor Springs is beyond the 1.5 mile rule. Again, we see that no one at the district can read a map.

For Julie dicaro, your house is farther than 1.5 miles.

For the district-state statute does not say "as the crow flies." You have a problem.

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Julie DiCaro

10:37 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

we've GPSed the route. It's 1.4+ miles.

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Carl

11:39 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Julie Dicaro,

I don't know exactly where your house is but I mapped the shortest route using GIS software from the closest home to Eola and Keating all the way to the bus lane at school. It's over 1.5.

Kbell

12:59 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

When I was in middle school I walked everyday and I actually liked it. Maybe this will serve as a dual purpose to also help curb the obesity in our youth. All the kids have cell phones now so it should help with checking in.

Momof3

1:07 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

@ Ms Hunter .it is extremely presumptuous of you to accuse parents of wanting full day kindergarten as a means of daycare. Surrounding communities has far less taxes in comparison to home size and have full day kindergarten as well. If the cards had originally been played right, full day kindergarten (optional or not) would be available at the child's home school. I'm sure no paret elected to have their kindergartner bused across town. That was the outcome of poor planning and improper allocation of funds. The way I see it, the extra $400 in my taxes this year should more than cover transportation costs.

Momof3

1:11 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

I should add, I would be more than happy to transport my child to kindergarten (as I do my older two) if it was located much closer.

Get real

6:11 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

If you opt for the duel language program. Theres no exceptable reason not to opt to drive your child!

getting ready to move

6:45 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Most elementary children do not have cell phones nor are they allowed to have them at school. If my elementary student did have cell phone, which they don't since I am trying to figure out how to pay my real estate taxes vs a cell phone for them, the first time they forget to turn it off once they enter the school and it rings with a wrong number, who is going to expunge my student's record of not following school rules. I know this from experience since it alread occurred with my high schooler. There is no leniency with cell phones. The school board and transportation keeps stating we should be angry with the state and go to the state. Do they understand the childish attitude presented with that statement? So, in comparison, when our household has been on pay freezes and no bonuses for a few years, we have needed to make changes within our household to meet the income, instead of telling my children 'no' we cannot purchase that, I should tell them 'go to our work and get angry with our bosses that we are not making as much, not our fault, not our responsibility'. It is the boards issue and they are taking the responsibility of living within the means by eliminating the bus routes. The hypocrisy of it is stating we need to eliminate the bus routes to live within our means but hire new employees out of budget, implement a whole new learning standard, and other line items of which the district cannot afford. Once again the board hyprocrisy prevails!!

Kristina

3:16 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Why aren't they making the communities next to wolfs crossing and Bednarcik walkers too? They begged for it in the boundary process. If kids can cross for Waubonsie with crossing guards you can do it there to.

Carol Anaski-Figurski

8:05 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Congradulations for the savingsand the health benefits Walking to school is certainly can promote the Lets' Move campaign, ward off childhood obesity, and promote friendships along the way. Who knows maybe it will overall lower health care premiums as well. Salute! I woudl also continue to add other schools to the walking list as the continuim of health.
I wouldn't even spend the $250,000 ANNUALLY on the GPS systems. It;s kind of a mute point. These kids would benefit from programs such as teaching relaxation, yoga, and meditation and it should be considered as important as a gym class.

Kathleen

8:42 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

This is complete crap. so they are going to make the kids in kindergarten walk? and i think the kids in 1st and 2nd grade should not walk to school they are to young and its not safe! and what about the kids with disabilities? are they going to provide bus services to the kids who cant get a ride to or from school because their parents work?

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Carl

10:20 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Kathleen,

The bottom line is that the district administrators do not care about your children. They care about feathering their own nests and keeping you in the dark as much as possible. It's the new order of things.

We are being fleeced and our children's safety is being compromised. Right now there are 3 registered sex offenders in the 60503 zip code and 2 of them are classified as sexual predators.

I think it's time to start demanding that the district release monthly line-item expense reports to the public so that we can see where the money is being spent. They should have no problem with this if they are committed to transparency and fiscal responsibility.

And by the way, if our buses are parked over at Fox Valley Mall, take it out of their paychecks and stay out of my pocket!

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Loreta J.

11:25 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

I don't think anyone expects a kindergartner to walk to school by themselves. Certainly not in inclement weather. Most kindergartners I see wait at their bus stops along with their parents or a caregiver. I would imagine that these kids could be driven to school or walked to school by one of the parents/adults that wait with the kids. It's unfortunate these changes have to occur, but it doesn't mean that their safety is going to be compromised. When my son was in 1st grade, I worked out an arrangement with my neighbor to have my son go to her house in the morning about 30 minutes before the bus came so she could send him out to the bus as I had to leave for work. My point is, I had to work around bus schedules even when busing wasn't an issue, so parents will find a way, we always do. It's not always easy, or convenient but we have to make it work. The kids will be fine.

Julie DiCaro

10:29 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

@Dianna Hunter--honestly--that comment is so insulting to those of us who are going to have to rearrange our work schedules and try to work out flex time with our employers. Homestead is a tight community. We know our neighbors. Our children have plenty of friends. Yes, we can and will arrange carpools and neighborhood groups to deal with it. But we shouldn't have to. Expecting our children to continue to be bused to school is not unreasonable. People in other districts can't believe what is going on in 308. So please save your pep talk about getting out and meeting new people. It's condescending and completely off-base.

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Steven Jack

10:33 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Folks, some comments have been deleted here. Please refrain from accusing other people of committing criminal acts for which they haven't been arrested or charged.

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Carl

11:01 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Steven Jack,

The information I provided about 3 sex offenders living in zip code 60503 comes from the Illinois Sex Offender Registration website. 2 of those offenders are sexual predators. They have been convicted of their crimes and the information, including their names and addresses are easily accessible at http://www.isp.state.il.us/sor/offenderlist.cfm.

This is a matter of public safety for our children. Please stop deleting relevant information.

Carl

10:53 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Following from that, I think the Patch Newspaper ought to obtain monthly line item revenue and expense reports and publish them in the Patch.

So Patch, how about doing your job and get these reports out into the light of day?

(5 ILCS 140/2.5)
Sec. 2.5. Records of funds. All records relating to the obligation, receipt, and use of public funds of the State, units of local government, and school districts are public records subject to inspection and copying by the public.
(Source: P.A. 96-542, eff. 1-1-10.)

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Steven Jack

7:07 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Carl, I'd be happy to discuss these issues with you. Feel free to give me a call. 630-383-8210.

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Paul Lark

8:05 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Carl,

They post bills for payment on the D308 Website.

Here's the list of bills for the May 7th meeting. People just need to know where to look.

http://www.boarddocs.com/il/oswego308/Board.nsf/files/8TURV56FC77D/$file/Bills%20for%20Payment%205-7-2012.pdf

It use to be where bills for payment were not placed under consent agenda.

Maryz

11:57 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Hi folks,
The Illinois legislature is introducing further cuts to the transportation funding they provide. One possibility is that all busing will cease to be mandated at the state level. This would bring the possibility of no busing for anyone without fees. Here is a link. http://www.iasb.com/govrel/alr9748.cfm
The bill was introduced by Sen. Heather A. Steans http://www.senatorsteans.com/

If you are not sure of your current representatives you can search here (don't forget boundaries will be changing after the 2012 election)
http://www.elections.il.gov/districtlocator/districtofficialsearchbyaddress.aspx

Please voice your concerns to your representatives they will return to session May 1st.

patricia hish

5:40 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Russ and Wally please take off the gloves. I know that both of you are wonderful people and parents who want what's best for your children and all students in 308. Your energy could be used to help us figure out what we need to do to keep us from loosing our homes and school. As you both know we are in serious trouble on all levels and need to come together no matter where we all live. There are so many who are just trying to keep that roof over their heads and with the tax situation, not to mention the non-funding from the state, we need to come up with real answers/solutions. You're intelligent,passionate men who need to step into our ring, we need you both over here. Have a wonderful day!!! :)

Maryz, When my husband and I spoke with our accountant last yr. he spoke of this,this, looks as though he was spot on. We all pay sooo much money in taxes, I honestly don't know how much more they want. Is anyone listening to us or is it the same old, they'll do what they have to because it effects their kids. Enough already!!!

Jane Enviere

9:07 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Of course people are angry when their taxes increase and services appear to be reduced. The bigger issue is that the economic climate and fiscal picture on all levels of government is bleak. When you have a shortfall in any budget - you have a few options...

1. Raise your revenues
2. Reduce your expenses
3. Do both

When your shortfall is significant, you usually end up seeing #3 because the other options are not going to cut it. And like I said - people can absolutely take issue with some of the things that have happened with this district recently and still not necessarily agree that every single decision made is a bad one.

And yes -- parent paid busing. It's essentially a bonus if you have been riding a bus and are within the walking distance and safety guidelines. If one disputes the latter, then that is where the district needs to hear from people. It seems like there is often a desire for wanting everything but not wanting to pay for it. If you want busing, but live outside the parameters where it is "free", then yeah - pay for it.

The argument that we have money for somethings and not for others is hardly new. It happens on every level of government - always has, always will.

@Julie -- I'm about the last person to imply that everyone should work in Oswego. We don't and never will. I'm not one of those who thinks Oswego needs to be the be all, end all so that I can stay in town every single second of my life. Hardly! lol ; )

russ harrison

9:42 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

As many of you are aware,my wife and I have obtained grants for our children's schools.They amount to over $5,000 dollars per school with a promise of more funds in the future...if we meet certain stipulations.Unfortunately,this March, when it was announced that we gave a $5,000 grant to LongBeach Elementary School,a person posting here as Hunt Club Parent stataccused my wife of stealing that grant money from The Hunt Club Home and School Organization.Ironically, that comment jeapordized the grant for Hunt Club Home and School (they received the grant anyway and it was announced in April).Further irony is the fact that my wife, as Hunt Club H&S treasurer, has been able to keep the organization out of a deficit for the first time since they were formed.
I was also chastised for having 5 children in the system, at the taxpayer's expense. It is common knowledge in the Hunt Club Organization that my wife and I have 2 infants buried in the Oswego Cemetery. Liam was an organ donor and through him 6 parents got their children back. He was buried over Mother's day weekend 8 years ago. The same year, we buried Paxton over Thanksgiving weekend. That leaves 3 Harrison children in the school district...not 5.The person making the statements against us is aware of the grants and donations we have made and has now placed the current grant in a perilous position.
The end result is that further grants to this school from the donors will not be forthcoming. Congrats Wally!

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Wally Pickens

10:59 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012

OK Russ, I don't get it, last year when your wife ran for H&S Treasurer, she stated that Liam was in 2nd grade and Peyton was in 1st grade at Long Beach. Is this true or is it a lie, because now you are saying that they are deceased. If they are deseased, my condolences, but why would your wife state that they go to long Beach? DO NOT BLAME ME if the grant is lost, I did not make that statement against your wife of stealing, and until you have proof, I would not go accusing me.

Kelly

1:35 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

Seriously, you are asking this guy to prove his child is deceased? Now I've seen it all.

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Steven Jack

3:23 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012

I'm going to go ahead and close the comments on this story for now. Too many people have left personal attacks, and it's just not productive anymore. There have to be ways to discuss the issues without resorting to personal attacks. Thank you.

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