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Witty comebacks there folks. A party that schedules their convention in Florida during hurricane season doesn't inspire confidence in their ability to make decisions based on facts or actual likely outcomes. The debates are going to be very entertaining and amusingly one-sided. So, you really think that Romney is the best that you have to offer?
@ Oldeegee.....Speaking of likely outcomes.....how about the price of gas? Oldeegee, 8 weeks on these very same Patch columns you wanted to give Obama credit for gas prices going down....what do you say about that now? Likely outcomes?
How about that male Democratic representative that likes boys? Where is the cartoonist on that one? It was on page 1 gizzilion, but has been buried by the press now.....wonder if the Dem wits will invite him?
It really is sad.....with all the issues at hand....the war, the economy, gas prices, crony capitalism, class warfare, hateful divisiveness...all Democrats can or want to do is try to tear down the opposition with lies and half truths, call and imply people are felons, killers, etc.......they will talk about and use character assassination on all but, they will not debate the issues.
Why should I VOTE for a President (Obama) whose Senate vote 97-0 (opposed) to his 2012 budget and the Senate vote 99-0 (opposed) to his 2013 budget? .....finally, conscensus among the ENTIRE US Senate.....maybe Obama should get a single vote from his own side regarding any fiscal matters before Obama asks any of the American people to vote for him. Can't even muster a "Yes" vote from Harry Reid.....
Why should any one vote for a Republican. For the 2010 mid term elections, they campaigned on jobs and not adding to the deficit. Where are all the jobs they promised? And as for not adding to the deficit, they broke that promise in December 2010 after they were elected.
Romney flip flops on everything. If he was for it once, now he is against it because Obama favors it. If he was against it earlier, he now for it because Obama is against it. This guy just does the opposite of what Obama proposes. He has no real plan for anything. Just ideas at this point.
You mean against it like abortion in cases of Rape and safety of the mother? Both Romney and Pres Obama support it.
Obama campaigned on Jobs too. Depending on the source and count, between Nov2008 and Nov 2010, the US lost what 6-8 millions jobs? While since Nov2010 the US has gained 3-4 million jobs. Not saying its the Reps OR Dems responsible for it, nor can either side claim it.
@what a deal The senate never took a vote 99-00 that's an old one. you really need to stop watching fox news. those bills were filibustered and never voted on. There have been 3 budgets that passed since the president took office. The last one that got passed has the GOP wrapped around an axial Google off the cliff. the GOP will be dead before the election
@ Thomas Walker who said...."@what a deal The senate never took a vote 99-00 that's an old one. you really need to stop watching fox news."...well, eat your MSNBC watching hat PAL.
A budget resolution based on President Obama’s 2013 budget failed to get any votes in the Senate on Wednesday. In a 99-0 vote, all of the senators present rejected the president’s blueprint.
It’s the second year in a row the Senate has voted down Obama’s budget.
Obama's 2012 budget failed 97 to 0 last May after Obama himself last April said he wanted deeper deficit cuts.
The House earlier this year unanimously rejected Obama's budget.
The White House sought to provide cover for Democrats to vote against the Obama budget resolution before the vote, arguing the resolution offered by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) was different from Obama’s budget because it did not include policy report language.
Democrats made the same point on the floor Wednesday in explaining their votes.
The Senate also voted on four GOP budget blueprints, which were all defeated
@ Thomas Walker.....here is what I said to Logansdad last night...you are just further proof of the HATE that one party can hold to a network who differs. But I heard MSNBC counts YOU as #17, out of 44 viewers so we can't hold it against you. Anyway, from last night...
<<To Logansdad, 8/28/2012>> Well at least you didn't let me down....Liberals love to throw the "FOX News" comment out, and the parrott reference don't they???..next it will be a Hitler comment and further attempts to suppress anyone's speech and ideas that doesn't agree with them. It wouldn't be a normal day without a FOX news, Bush, Hitler, trash talk, parrot, talking points, blah, blah, blah....a little to much liberal news media watching there Logansdad...suppress speech, right? Chick-fil-A anyone?
Logansdad....how are these for flip-flops...or just plain lies.
“I promise I support traditional marriage-1 man-1 woman"
“I promise 100% transparency in my administration”
“I promise NO NEW TAXES on a family making less than $250K a year”
“I will allow 5 days of public comment before I sign any bills”
“I will remove earmarks from PORK projects before I sign any bill”
“I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year”
"I will bring ALL of our troops home within ONE year"
“I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so everyone can see who is at the table”
“I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration"
"I'll close Guantanamo"
"I'll resign if I don't cut the deficit in half by the end of four years"
"I'll unite the people of this great country"
“I promise 100% transparency in my administration”
“I promise NO NEW TAXES on a family making less than $250K a year”
“I will allow 5 days of public comment before I sign any bills”
“I will remove earmarks from PORK projects before I sign any bill”
“I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year”
"I will bring ALL of our troops home within ONE year."
“I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so eeryone can see it”
“I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration"
"I'll close Guantanamo"
"I'll resign if I don't cut the deficit in half by the end of four years"
"I'll unite the people of this great country"
If you think Obama doesn't keep his promises then don't vote for him. You are acting as if Romney is going to be some savior. (where have we heard this before).
Don't forget Romney is going to be following the same polices that got us into this mess to begin with.
What a deal, go back and see what Bush promised in 2000 and 2004 and see if he kept any of those promises. I bet you he didnt keep 95% of his pre-election promises.
Here are just some of the promises that Obama did kept.
Create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to invest in peer-reviewed manufacturing processes
Extend child tax credits and marriage-penalty fixes
Create an international tax haven watch list
Increase minority access to capital
Require economic justification for tax changes
Implement "Women Owned Business" contracting program
Change standards for determining broadband access
Create a consumer-friendly credit card rating system
Establish a credit card bill of rights
Expand loan programs for small businesses
Extend the Bush tax cuts for lower incomes
Extend and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch
Close the "doughnut hole" in Medicare prescription drug plan
Expand the Senior Corps volunteer program
Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions
Give tax credits to those who need help to pay health premiums
Require large employers to contribute to a national health plan
Require children to have health insurance coverage
Expand eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP)
Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq
Begin removing combat brigades from Iraq
No permanent bases in Iraq
Reform No Child Left Behind
Provide affordable, high-quality child care
Repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy
Sign a "universal" health care bill
Invest in all types of alternative energy
A few of those work.....Republicans even agree with some of them.....and some of them the majority of people don't.....why didn't he.....“I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so eeryone can see it”....credit card reform actually backfired.... and I could go on and on but won't...whats done is done.....
Logansdad.....and to his accomplishments we got this to accomplish it........(if you want more info on any of these TAX increase, FEE's, or FINE's let me know)....
1. Hospital Insurance Tax
2. Mandate Penalties
3. Health Insurance Provider Fee
4. "Cadillac" Tax
5. Prescription Drug Fees
6. Ethanol Tax
7. Medical Device Tax
8. Business Regulation Costs
9. Reducing Medical Deductions
10. FSA Limits
Logansdad.............Bush is gone....get over it. We are talking about Obama and Romney. How far back does one go? ....blah, blah, blah.....Bush is gone.
Really Bush is no longer president, wow nothing gets by you. You missed the entire point of my statement or are you afraid you will see that Bush never kept the majority of his campaign promises as well. If you look back at the last 4 presidents, you will see that they usually don't. No surprise to me.
Logansdad......If you must talk about Bush how about explaining these guys.....?
1. Bill Ayers (Terrorist)
2. Tom Ayers (Radical)
3. Van Jones (Former Green Jobs Czar, Communist)
4. Anita Dunn (Maoist, Communist)
5. Tony Rezco (Convicted Felon: Fraud, Bribery)
6. Rev. Jeremiah “God Da&$ America” Wright (Radical, Black Liberation Theologist)
7. Prof. Frank Marshal Davis (Communist)
8. Gov. Rod Blagojevich (Convicted Felon and former Gov. of IL)
9. Andy Stern, Union SEIU Head, (Maoist, Communist)
10. Saul Alinsky (Author: Rules for Radicals)
11. Prof. Frances Fox Piven (Communist and Radical)
12. Kevin Jennings – “safe school czar” (radical homosexual who supports NAMBLA)
What is the point of this list? Are any of these people running for President or a spot in the Obama cabinet? Nope so why even bring it up. You can't debate the issues so you bring up all this other non-sense as a diversion.
Oh really....? Logansdad said..........."What a deal, go back and see what Bush promised in 2000 and 2004 and see if he kept any of those promises. I bet you he didnt keep 95% of his pre-election promises.".......That was your point? No, I think not.....Why didn't you just say that ALL presidents break their promises instead of an end around and using the "Bush" word..........? With quotes like that a lot of people will miss your "point"....
You wanted to talk about Bush...remember....(but someone ((supposedly)) missed your point). Yeah, right....you wanted to talk about Bush's promises (whether you own up to it or divert from it), so, lets talk about Obama's relationship to these people. Their connection to Obama is more closely linked than Bush to Romney....
Did I. Where did I state that. You have poor reading skills.
At least Obama didnt have ties to the family of the #1 terrorist in the world. That didnt bother you now did it.
If you think Romney is "clean as a whistle" and doesn't have any ties to corruption think again.
If I were you I wouldn't venture into the cronyism arena with all the "green" companies out there cashing in, with no results.....and I missed nothing. Here you go ""Obama didnt have ties to the family of the #1 terrorist in the world""......Are you talking about BUSH again? Give it up, BUSH IS GONE!!!! Are you saying Romney has any ties with the #1 terrorist? .... but, let's see......Louis Farrakhan and Obama are buds.....and you know where that relationship goes......deep, very deep. I think most people agree and understand Romney did a great job with the Olympics....at least we had them when everyone was ready to abandon them.......do you have a BUSH fetish or what?
You are a riot. You think having ties to a communist is bad,but think having ties to a terrorist is just fine.
Romney was $2.7 billion over budget with the Olympics nbd then wanted the tax payers to help pay for a portion of that. Yet Romney is touting his successful business skills. Did he learn his business skills while employed for the Texas Rangers?
You mean the Labor Leader, Lech Walesa....and Romney did not say...."tell Vlady to wait until the elections are over....I can help him then"....UNRESTRAINED to sell the US down the river.....meet with a communist or sell your countrys sole on OPEN MIC? Yeah, instills confidence.
I think we have communist labor leaders right here staying in the white house....what is that SEIU guys name again......Yep, he's number 1....probably sleeping with the big OHHHHHHHHHHH...............!!!!!!!!!!! Met with a communist...BOY! LOL
"Logansdad.....and to his accomplishments we got this to accomplish it........(if you want more info on any of these TAX increase, FEE's, or FINE's let me know)
You will get them if vote for Romney. Check to see how he was able to balance his budget in Mass. He didnt raise taxes, he just put or raised fees on everything.
"A National Conference of State Legislatures study put the figure even higher, saying Massachusetts in 2003 imposed more than $501.5 million in fee hikes, more than any other state. New York, with a far larger budget, was a distant second with $367 million."
Logansdad.....I can handle the truth just fine......as for character assassination, accusation of being a felon, attempts to tie Romney to a womans cancer death, Bain, etc...and you eat up the dung that MSNBC and the likes of Chris Matthews tells you.....today Romney says Obama is a nice guy, just a failure as a leader. That doesn't sound like character assassination to me....Obama clearly does the character assassination.
Then you make comments like, I missed your point, poor reading skills, can't handle the truth...you really are a piece of work just like "O". You follow the same rules. You can't/won't even have a debate with lil ol ME without slinging personal insults. You have no integrity and you lose this debate (not that you really debated) by that measure alone. I have seen in the past columns how you handle anyone who disagrees with your ideology....you even call Labor leaders Communist while our President makes hot mic comments to sell America down the river. I don't doubt you are a Union laborer.......many reasons you lose. Character assassination, diversion, half-truths, BUSH (he was the Texas Ranger guy NOT Romney). A sad ending.
Please, you are really making up stuff now aren't. I have been debating you. I have given you proof of Romney's past and what he is really like. You just refuse to see his bad side and that he is no different than any other former President or person running for office. Everything I posted was supported with proof.
Labor Leaders as communist. If you are referring to the former leader of Poland, it is true. But that doesn't bother. You can label everyone else an "ist" but when it comes to showing ties to terrorists like the Bush family, that doesn't because Bush was your hero.
When it comes to people like you, nothing matters before 1/20/09. Since then everything is a big deal.
Do any of you really feel you're going to convince the other you're right? These political arguments always end up being arguments for argument's sake. No one every has a modicum of civility. We will all vote who we are going to vote for. Does anyone really think they're going to convince dems to vote gop or vice versa? All that is being done is fostering hostility.
Logansdad...if you knew me, you would know I am no fan of Bush. You do NOT know me, obviously or you wouldn't say that. LOL, and you accuse me of making it up....your "proof" comes in the form of the "obvious"...who disputes he met with Lech Walesa...obvious... You gave a list of all these things Obama did....big friggin deal. He should have been fixing the damn economy and working on Joe Bidens 3 letter word...J O B S.... But did he? NO. Heck NO....He was to busy with credit card reform. Big deal. Credit card companies worked around it because he had no foresight. Yes, I am no fan of Obama. He said he "would not sleep" until jobs are created. I actually thought he would be a change. Hwe was such a great speaker. He is a disasterous change with no ideas, no new ideas, and works to get re-elected by dividing this country and riunning the dirtiest campaign of all time. Remember the red and blue?...No we are the red, white, and blue US. Big joke. This country is more divided than I have seen it in over 60 years. Is Romney different? Maybe, maybe not. But he's got new ideas that we need to try because Obama is out of ideas completely. It is YOU, that cannot handle the Republican beliefs and ideologies. You cling to this failure and defend him with you tube videos (proof?) and saying Romney visited a communist. Yes, Obama is an "ist", but it surely is NOT CAPITALIST. You can't handle the fact that anyone would disagree with you.
"You gave a list of all these things Obama did....big friggin deal."
Sorry that Obama did't prioritize his according to what you wanted done.
"He should have been fixing the damn economy and working on Joe Bidens 3 letter word...J O B S.."
That is a two way street. The same could be said for the Republicans. Instead they were working against Obama and for the middle class. They were the ones that ran on creating jobs in 2010, but instead all they did was "try to make Obama a one term president".
"He is a disasterous change with no ideas, no new ideas, and works to get re-elected by dividing this country and riunning the dirtiest campaign of all time. "
And what about Romney. No ideas except to be anti-Obama. He has flip flopped on practically every stance he ever took. Romney's ideas are Bush's ideas - the ones that got this country into this mess, but yet you call them NEW. ha ha ha.
Romney is an elitist. He only thinks of the top 1% and could care less for the middle class.
You wouldn't even entertain the thought of something different. You are like a pice of lead. Go ahead and vote for the man that is putting your son, Logan, in debt before he is even old enough to pay taxes. Bet Logan can't wait to get his tax bill.....800 billion and we are still at 8.3% OMFG. Get a clue and don't accuse me of being anything that you don't know for sure, because you are wrong, and that I can say with 1000% certainty. That statement you made speaks for YOUR INTEGRITY. You are making it up. I didn't love him, but I sure as heck don't understand why, if this president and his followers continue to blame it all on one guy.. No integrity, and if you lie about that, you will lie about anything. I have no problem calling you out on that one. No matter what you or I think, don't make up crap about someone because they disagree with you.
As I said....you state the obvious as if it were an original thought. Insult people and are clueless about it. Have no integrity. And lie. You don't call it as you see it....well, maybe you do. But your vision is narrow and one-sided. The more you open your mouth the more obvious it all is. Just blame it on Bush and keep at character assassination. You jus don't get it. Vote for you arrogant President and keep Logan down for his whole life, long after you are dead. I'm sure it doesn't bother you....get a job.
And what is your original thought - to call me a liar because you can't dispute what I had previous posted. My vision is narrow minded....You are the one that is acting is Romney is the next savior, you can't see that he is the next incarnation of Bush.
Get a job. I have one, but thanks for assuming things.
1. Hospital Insurance Tax. Beginning in 2013, Obamacare increases the Hospital Insurance (HI) portion of the payroll tax from 9 percent to 3.8 percent for families earning more than $250,000 a year and for single filers earning more than $200,000 annually. The increased HI tax is also applied to investment income for the first time. The 3.8 percent surtax on investment income is the most economically damaging tax in Obamacare. And these tax increases won't remain just on families making more than $250,000 a year for long. As the JEC explains, this tax is not indexed to inflation: "This means that in just 10 years from now, the so-called 'high-income' thresholds will have effectively ratcheted down to $152,000 and $190,000 in today's dollars." This tax increase amounts to $210 billion between 2013 and 2019.
2. Mandate Penalties. In 2014, Obamacare's individual and employer mandates go into effect, forcing individuals to purchase coverage and employers to offer coverage to their workers. The penalties paid in association with these mandates are an estimated $65 billion between 2014 and 2019.
3. Health Insurance Provider Fee. Starting in 2014, Obamacare imposes an annual fee on health insurance providers based on each company's share of the total market. This totals a $60 billion tax hike between 2014 and 2019.
4. "Cadillac" Tax. In 2018, Obamacare puts a new 40 percent excise tax on "Cadillac" health plans, meaning plans that cost more than $10,200 for an individual and $27,500 for families. However, this tax is not indexed to medical inflation, causing it to eventually tax "Honda" plans at this rate as well. The JEC points out that "[t]he bulk of revenues from the 'Cadillac' tax would not be paid by platinum health insurance plans, but rather by employees who are forced to exchange tax-free health insurance benefits for taxable wages after employers reduce or eliminate health insurance." This tax amounts to $32 billion in higher taxes in the first two years of its implementation.
5. Prescription Drug Fees. Since 2011, Obamacare has put an annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs based on each individual company's share of the total market. Between 2011 and 2019, this will amount to a $27 billion tax increase.
6. Ethanol Tax. In 2010, Obamacare excluded ethanol from the existing cellulosic biofuel producer tax credit. This will hike taxes $24 billion from 2010-2019.
7. Medical Device Tax. Beginning in 2013, Obamacare imposes a 2.3 percent excise tax on medical device manufacturers. This will raise taxes on patients needing medical devices, who will ultimately pay the tax through higher prices, by $20 billion from 2013 to 2019.
8. Business Regulation Costs. Beginning in 2012, Obamacare raises corporate taxes through stricter enforcement, because businesses will be required to report more information on their business activities. This will raise taxes $17 billion from 2012 to 2019.
9. Reducing Medical Deductions. In 2013, Obamacare raises the floor on itemized medical deductions from 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income to 10 percent, meaning Americans must spend 2.5 percent more of their income before they get a medical deduction, costing $15 billion from 2013 to 2019.
10. FSA Limits. Starting in 2014, Obamacare limits the amount of pre-tax dollars that taxpayers can deposit in flexible savings accounts (FSAs) to $2,500 a year. This results in an extra $13 billion in taxes from 2014 to 2019
Above are Letterman's tn top TAXES that Obama has given the middle class. Rolling Stones song....under my thumb. That's where Logan will be all his life. Under the governments thumb.
I figured you would have ZERO response to the largest tax increase ever imposed on the American people......and they didn't/don't even want what was forced down their throat. Talk about blued, screwed, and tattoed.
Here's how it works according to Logansdad's rules....get a job. (Logansdad) "I have a job"....i say, no you don't because i said you don't. simple. make it up as you go.
Accomplished by Obama….
Create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to invest in peer-reviewed manufacturing processes
Extend child tax credits and marriage-penalty fixes
Create an international tax haven watch list
Increase minority access to capital
Require economic justification for tax changes
Implement "Women Owned Business" contracting program
Change standards for determining broadband access
Create a consumer-friendly credit card rating system
Establish a credit card bill of rights
Expand loan programs for small businesses
Extend the Bush tax cuts for lower incomes
Extend and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch
Close the "doughnut hole" in Medicare prescription drug plan
Expand the Senior Corps volunteer program
Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions
Give tax credits to those who need help to pay health premiums
Require large employers to contribute to a national health plan
Require children to have health insurance coverage
Expand eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP)
Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq
Begin removing combat brigades from Iraq
No permanent bases in Iraq
Reform No Child Left Behind
Provide affordable, high-quality child care
Repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy
Sign a "universal" health care bill
Invest in all types of alternative energy
Now you are copying and pasting other people's posts. Can you come up with anything on your own. If it will please you, I can say you are the King of Copy and Paste and give you an award.
REMEMBER WHEN... decorum and civility were treasured? When an old fashioned Bugs Bunny cartoon was acceptable? When porn was only in the sleazy part of town? When peace was the goal? When war was a dirty word? When it was a civic duty to fight racism? Remember when people were tough? When "bullying" was physical violence? When religion taught love? Remember when our leaders could work together for our future? Remember when we had HOPE? Who has done this to our society??? Who has made us morally weak, pliable sponges consuming whatever is shoved in front of us? We have become brainless livestock. Now the question is, for who
I really figured you could do better than that on this one.....disappointed out of all that you focus on brainless livestock. I should have known you would disappoint me. You should go to bed and get some rest. I think you are all worn out.
Give any award you please. I won't accept it from someone with no integrity. You missed the point (sound familiar Bush?). That was your list, your copy, your paste (as you know I'm sure) the point is ....why is it everytime you accuse someone of something...you have already done it yourself?
You wont accept any truth unless it agrees with your agenda. I have copied and pasted once, not every single post like you, but you claim I don't have an original thought. You just parrot all of Fox News talking points.
Well at least you didn't let me down....Liberals love to throw the "FOX News" comment out, and the parrott reference don't they???..next it will be a Hitler comment and further attempts to suppress anyone's speech and ideas that doesn't agree with them. It wouldn't be a normal day without a FOX news, Bush, Hitler, trash talk, parrot, talking points, blah, blah, blah....a little to much liberal news media watching there Logansdad...suppress speech, right? Chick-fil-A anyone?
"Liberals love to throw the "FOX News" comment out, and the parrott reference don't they???..next it will be a Hitler comment and further attempts to suppress anyone's speech"
This coming from the one that made a reference about MSNBC and everyone playing the "race card".
Oh, but, to state the obvious, the MSNBC comment was made after your FIRST reference to FOX news.....so now you made a SECOND comment about FOX, multiple comments about Bush, and the typical "parroting" and talking points....so whose repeating themselves??.....you sound like the proverbial broken record. Like I said, you always accuse, but you always do first what you accuse others of.....CAD...
So just the mention of Fox News made you upset. You were the one that came up with the insults here
"Lets watch MSNBC and get a thrill up our leg and accuse everyone of playing the race card."
"next it will be a Hitler comment and further attempts to suppress anyone's speech and ideas that doesn't agree with them"
And yet you blame me for the insults. Seems like you can dish them out, but can't take them.
Whatever. Typical Republican, can't face the truth so you parrot everything back. Look back at the insults. This one is communist, this one is a radical, maosit, socialist, Those were your comments.
Get original...LD. I describe the traits of a liberal an hour ago, now you "parrot" your ideas of a Republican back, then make accusations. You are even a sorry excuse for a liberal.
Here' some science for you LD...one of my favorite quotes that I copied and pasted but it fits you to a T:
The root of liberal mental disorder is in the personality development of the individual who does not mature normally to value self-sufficiency and independence. Such individuals seek a parental substitute. The most convenient is a socialist government. Those with liberal mental disorder are willing to trade their potential for success through education, hard work and respect for others for government subsidies funded through redistribution of wealth which normally accrues to those who earn their money through hard work. Many liberals want a free ride on the wings of success off the rest of us and believe that in order to achieve that free ride, government must impose harsh rules which are essentially punishment of hard working Americans, in the form of progressive taxation and other schemes designed to divert personal wealth to those who depend upon government. - Dr.
Whatever....sounds like my teenage grandaughter.....insert <<FONT for sarcasm>> and say <<whatever>>.....<<sigh>>. Another late but not forgotten quote by Logans dad.
What a Deal! Great substantive remarks! Republicans and Romney will succeed on November 6th...continuing disappointment with Obama first made evident in 2010 elections.
@ Thomas Walker who said...."@what a deal The senate never took a vote 99-00 that's an old one. you really need to stop watching fox news."...well, eat your MSNBC watching hat PAL.
A budget resolution based on President Obama’s 2013 budget failed to get any votes in the Senate on Wednesday. In a 99-0 vote, all of the senators present rejected the president’s blueprint.
It’s the second year in a row the Senate has voted down Obama’s budget.
Obama's 2012 budget failed 97 to 0 last May after Obama himself last April said he wanted deeper deficit cuts.
The House earlier this year unanimously rejected Obama's budget.
The White House sought to provide cover for Democrats to vote against the Obama budget resolution before the vote, arguing the resolution offered by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) was different from Obama’s budget because it did not include policy report language.
Democrats made the same point on the floor Wednesday in explaining their votes.
The Senate also voted on four GOP budget blueprints, which were all defeated
@ Thomas Walker.....here is what I said to Logansdad last night...you are just further proof of the HATE that one party can hold to a network who differs. But I heard MSNBC counts YOU as #17, out of 44 viewers so we can't hold it against you. Anyway, from last night...
<<To Logansdad, 8/28/2012>> Well at least you didn't let me down....Liberals love to throw the "FOX News" comment out, and the parrott reference don't they???..next it will be a Hitler comment and further attempts to suppress anyone's speech and ideas that doesn't agree with them. It wouldn't be a normal day without a FOX news, Bush, Hitler, trash talk, parrot, talking points, blah, blah, blah....a little to much liberal news media watching there Logansdad...suppress speech, right? Chick-fil-A anyone?
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Jeff Goeringer
7:56 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Haha what a train wreck good luck gop
What a Deal!
5:48 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Jeff, do you think the dems are any less of a train wreck? or do you just wear blinders?
What a Deal!
11:28 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012
What about Joe Biden????? Editor and cartoon(ist) sure spin it the way their agenda drives them!
Martin
2:00 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
The GOP would love to Biden to show up in Tampa. Sometimes I think he secretly is working for the GOP...with all the stupid things he says.
Brian
2:07 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
And for the Democrat Convention what won't be invited? ... The truth, fiscal responsibility, the constitution
Moe
3:06 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Sunday Comic = LAME!!!
Olddeegee
3:31 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Witty comebacks there folks. A party that schedules their convention in Florida during hurricane season doesn't inspire confidence in their ability to make decisions based on facts or actual likely outcomes. The debates are going to be very entertaining and amusingly one-sided. So, you really think that Romney is the best that you have to offer?
What a Deal!
5:03 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
@ Oldeegee.....Speaking of likely outcomes.....how about the price of gas? Oldeegee, 8 weeks on these very same Patch columns you wanted to give Obama credit for gas prices going down....what do you say about that now? Likely outcomes?
Stu
4:36 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
And Charlotte, NC is a hurricane-free zone? 1989...Hugo?
Pro Life Crusader +
3:57 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Please invite Obamba and hurricane Isaac can take him away.
What a Deal!
5:05 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
How about that male Democratic representative that likes boys? Where is the cartoonist on that one? It was on page 1 gizzilion, but has been buried by the press now.....wonder if the Dem wits will invite him?
What a Deal!
5:12 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
It really is sad.....with all the issues at hand....the war, the economy, gas prices, crony capitalism, class warfare, hateful divisiveness...all Democrats can or want to do is try to tear down the opposition with lies and half truths, call and imply people are felons, killers, etc.......they will talk about and use character assassination on all but, they will not debate the issues.
What a Deal!
7:50 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Why should I VOTE for a President (Obama) whose Senate vote 97-0 (opposed) to his 2012 budget and the Senate vote 99-0 (opposed) to his 2013 budget? .....finally, conscensus among the ENTIRE US Senate.....maybe Obama should get a single vote from his own side regarding any fiscal matters before Obama asks any of the American people to vote for him. Can't even muster a "Yes" vote from Harry Reid.....
Logansdad
8:11 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
Why should any one vote for a Republican. For the 2010 mid term elections, they campaigned on jobs and not adding to the deficit. Where are all the jobs they promised? And as for not adding to the deficit, they broke that promise in December 2010 after they were elected.
Romney flip flops on everything. If he was for it once, now he is against it because Obama favors it. If he was against it earlier, he now for it because Obama is against it. This guy just does the opposite of what Obama proposes. He has no real plan for anything. Just ideas at this point.
Martin
8:51 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
You mean against it like abortion in cases of Rape and safety of the mother? Both Romney and Pres Obama support it.
Obama campaigned on Jobs too. Depending on the source and count, between Nov2008 and Nov 2010, the US lost what 6-8 millions jobs? While since Nov2010 the US has gained 3-4 million jobs. Not saying its the Reps OR Dems responsible for it, nor can either side claim it.
Logansdad
9:01 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
No I am talking about Romneycare aka Obamacare. Obamacare is estentially Romney's plan. Romney backed it while he was governor.
However Romney has changed his position on the Bush tax cuts, DADT, abortion. The list goes on and on.
Thomas Williams
6:05 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
@what a deal The senate never took a vote 99-00 that's an old one. you really need to stop watching fox news. those bills were filibustered and never voted on. There have been 3 budgets that passed since the president took office. The last one that got passed has the GOP wrapped around an axial Google off the cliff. the GOP will be dead before the election
What a Deal!
9:16 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
@ Thomas Walker who said...."@what a deal The senate never took a vote 99-00 that's an old one. you really need to stop watching fox news."...well, eat your MSNBC watching hat PAL.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote/
A budget resolution based on President Obama’s 2013 budget failed to get any votes in the Senate on Wednesday. In a 99-0 vote, all of the senators present rejected the president’s blueprint.
It’s the second year in a row the Senate has voted down Obama’s budget.
Obama's 2012 budget failed 97 to 0 last May after Obama himself last April said he wanted deeper deficit cuts.
The House earlier this year unanimously rejected Obama's budget.
The White House sought to provide cover for Democrats to vote against the Obama budget resolution before the vote, arguing the resolution offered by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) was different from Obama’s budget because it did not include policy report language.
Democrats made the same point on the floor Wednesday in explaining their votes.
The Senate also voted on four GOP budget blueprints, which were all defeated
What a Deal!
9:17 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
@ Thomas Walker.....here is what I said to Logansdad last night...you are just further proof of the HATE that one party can hold to a network who differs. But I heard MSNBC counts YOU as #17, out of 44 viewers so we can't hold it against you. Anyway, from last night...
<<To Logansdad, 8/28/2012>> Well at least you didn't let me down....Liberals love to throw the "FOX News" comment out, and the parrott reference don't they???..next it will be a Hitler comment and further attempts to suppress anyone's speech and ideas that doesn't agree with them. It wouldn't be a normal day without a FOX news, Bush, Hitler, trash talk, parrot, talking points, blah, blah, blah....a little to much liberal news media watching there Logansdad...suppress speech, right? Chick-fil-A anyone?
What a Deal!
6:46 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Maybe he is "evolving".....like traditional marriage...
What a Deal!
6:51 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Logansdad....how are these for flip-flops...or just plain lies.
“I promise I support traditional marriage-1 man-1 woman"
“I promise 100% transparency in my administration”
“I promise NO NEW TAXES on a family making less than $250K a year”
“I will allow 5 days of public comment before I sign any bills”
“I will remove earmarks from PORK projects before I sign any bill”
“I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year”
"I will bring ALL of our troops home within ONE year"
“I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so everyone can see who is at the table”
“I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration"
"I'll close Guantanamo"
"I'll resign if I don't cut the deficit in half by the end of four years"
"I'll unite the people of this great country"
“I promise 100% transparency in my administration”
“I promise NO NEW TAXES on a family making less than $250K a year”
“I will allow 5 days of public comment before I sign any bills”
“I will remove earmarks from PORK projects before I sign any bill”
“I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year”
"I will bring ALL of our troops home within ONE year."
“I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so eeryone can see it”
“I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration"
"I'll close Guantanamo"
"I'll resign if I don't cut the deficit in half by the end of four years"
"I'll unite the people of this great country"
Martin
7:06 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Nice list....
Logansdad
7:24 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
If you think Obama doesn't keep his promises then don't vote for him. You are acting as if Romney is going to be some savior. (where have we heard this before).
Don't forget Romney is going to be following the same polices that got us into this mess to begin with.
Logansdad
7:30 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
What a deal, go back and see what Bush promised in 2000 and 2004 and see if he kept any of those promises. I bet you he didnt keep 95% of his pre-election promises.
Logansdad
7:51 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Here are just some of the promises that Obama did kept.
Create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to invest in peer-reviewed manufacturing processes
Extend child tax credits and marriage-penalty fixes
Create an international tax haven watch list
Increase minority access to capital
Require economic justification for tax changes
Implement "Women Owned Business" contracting program
Change standards for determining broadband access
Create a consumer-friendly credit card rating system
Establish a credit card bill of rights
Expand loan programs for small businesses
Extend the Bush tax cuts for lower incomes
Extend and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch
Close the "doughnut hole" in Medicare prescription drug plan
Expand the Senior Corps volunteer program
Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions
Give tax credits to those who need help to pay health premiums
Require large employers to contribute to a national health plan
Require children to have health insurance coverage
Expand eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP)
Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq
Begin removing combat brigades from Iraq
No permanent bases in Iraq
Reform No Child Left Behind
Provide affordable, high-quality child care
Repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy
Sign a "universal" health care bill
Invest in all types of alternative energy
What a Deal!
7:58 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
A few of those work.....Republicans even agree with some of them.....and some of them the majority of people don't.....why didn't he.....“I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so eeryone can see it”....credit card reform actually backfired.... and I could go on and on but won't...whats done is done.....
What a Deal!
8:02 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Logansdad.....and to his accomplishments we got this to accomplish it........(if you want more info on any of these TAX increase, FEE's, or FINE's let me know)....
1. Hospital Insurance Tax
2. Mandate Penalties
3. Health Insurance Provider Fee
4. "Cadillac" Tax
5. Prescription Drug Fees
6. Ethanol Tax
7. Medical Device Tax
8. Business Regulation Costs
9. Reducing Medical Deductions
10. FSA Limits
What a Deal!
7:34 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Logansdad.............Bush is gone....get over it. We are talking about Obama and Romney. How far back does one go? ....blah, blah, blah.....Bush is gone.
Logansdad
7:40 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Really Bush is no longer president, wow nothing gets by you. You missed the entire point of my statement or are you afraid you will see that Bush never kept the majority of his campaign promises as well. If you look back at the last 4 presidents, you will see that they usually don't. No surprise to me.
What a Deal!
7:36 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Logansdad......If you must talk about Bush how about explaining these guys.....?
1. Bill Ayers (Terrorist)
2. Tom Ayers (Radical)
3. Van Jones (Former Green Jobs Czar, Communist)
4. Anita Dunn (Maoist, Communist)
5. Tony Rezco (Convicted Felon: Fraud, Bribery)
6. Rev. Jeremiah “God Da&$ America” Wright (Radical, Black Liberation Theologist)
7. Prof. Frank Marshal Davis (Communist)
8. Gov. Rod Blagojevich (Convicted Felon and former Gov. of IL)
9. Andy Stern, Union SEIU Head, (Maoist, Communist)
10. Saul Alinsky (Author: Rules for Radicals)
11. Prof. Frances Fox Piven (Communist and Radical)
12. Kevin Jennings – “safe school czar” (radical homosexual who supports NAMBLA)
Logansdad
7:42 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
What is the point of this list? Are any of these people running for President or a spot in the Obama cabinet? Nope so why even bring it up. You can't debate the issues so you bring up all this other non-sense as a diversion.
What a Deal!
7:46 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Oh really....? Logansdad said..........."What a deal, go back and see what Bush promised in 2000 and 2004 and see if he kept any of those promises. I bet you he didnt keep 95% of his pre-election promises.".......That was your point? No, I think not.....Why didn't you just say that ALL presidents break their promises instead of an end around and using the "Bush" word..........? With quotes like that a lot of people will miss your "point"....
What a Deal!
7:50 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
You wanted to talk about Bush...remember....(but someone ((supposedly)) missed your point). Yeah, right....you wanted to talk about Bush's promises (whether you own up to it or divert from it), so, lets talk about Obama's relationship to these people. Their connection to Obama is more closely linked than Bush to Romney....
Logansdad
7:58 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Did I. Where did I state that. You have poor reading skills.
At least Obama didnt have ties to the family of the #1 terrorist in the world. That didnt bother you now did it.
If you think Romney is "clean as a whistle" and doesn't have any ties to corruption think again.
https://www.politicolnews.com/romneys-olympic-corrupt-pals-now-donate-to-his-campaign/
http://vegasjessie.com/2012/07/18/corruption-and-lds-cronyism-at-romneys-olympics/
What a Deal!
7:53 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Logansdad,... many of them DID work for Obama....#3, #4, #8.......how soon we (would like) to forget...or did you like those guys?
Logansdad
8:11 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Romney met with a former communist during his recent trip to Europe.
Romney also had ties to the MEK which is a terrorist organization.
What a Deal!
8:12 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
If I were you I wouldn't venture into the cronyism arena with all the "green" companies out there cashing in, with no results.....and I missed nothing. Here you go ""Obama didnt have ties to the family of the #1 terrorist in the world""......Are you talking about BUSH again? Give it up, BUSH IS GONE!!!! Are you saying Romney has any ties with the #1 terrorist? .... but, let's see......Louis Farrakhan and Obama are buds.....and you know where that relationship goes......deep, very deep. I think most people agree and understand Romney did a great job with the Olympics....at least we had them when everyone was ready to abandon them.......do you have a BUSH fetish or what?
Logansdad
8:16 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
You are a riot. You think having ties to a communist is bad,but think having ties to a terrorist is just fine.
Romney was $2.7 billion over budget with the Olympics nbd then wanted the tax payers to help pay for a portion of that. Yet Romney is touting his successful business skills. Did he learn his business skills while employed for the Texas Rangers?
What a Deal!
8:16 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
You mean the Labor Leader, Lech Walesa....and Romney did not say...."tell Vlady to wait until the elections are over....I can help him then"....UNRESTRAINED to sell the US down the river.....meet with a communist or sell your countrys sole on OPEN MIC? Yeah, instills confidence.
What a Deal!
8:18 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I think we have communist labor leaders right here staying in the white house....what is that SEIU guys name again......Yep, he's number 1....probably sleeping with the big OHHHHHHHHHHH...............!!!!!!!!!!! Met with a communist...BOY! LOL
What a Deal!
8:19 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
You haven't proven a thing except you are just like your Pres.....can't run on a record...use character assassination.
Logansdad
8:45 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
As if Romney's record is so much better. Character assassination??? More like you can't stand to hear the truth about Mittens.
Logansdad
8:19 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
"Logansdad.....and to his accomplishments we got this to accomplish it........(if you want more info on any of these TAX increase, FEE's, or FINE's let me know)
You will get them if vote for Romney. Check to see how he was able to balance his budget in Mass. He didnt raise taxes, he just put or raised fees on everything.
"A National Conference of State Legislatures study put the figure even higher, saying Massachusetts in 2003 imposed more than $501.5 million in fee hikes, more than any other state. New York, with a far larger budget, was a distant second with $367 million."
What a Deal!
8:21 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Never knew Mitt Romney had anbything to do with the Texas Rangers...
What a Deal!
8:21 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
gotta go...dinner on the table.
What a Deal!
9:45 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Logansdad.....I can handle the truth just fine......as for character assassination, accusation of being a felon, attempts to tie Romney to a womans cancer death, Bain, etc...and you eat up the dung that MSNBC and the likes of Chris Matthews tells you.....today Romney says Obama is a nice guy, just a failure as a leader. That doesn't sound like character assassination to me....Obama clearly does the character assassination.
Then you make comments like, I missed your point, poor reading skills, can't handle the truth...you really are a piece of work just like "O". You follow the same rules. You can't/won't even have a debate with lil ol ME without slinging personal insults. You have no integrity and you lose this debate (not that you really debated) by that measure alone. I have seen in the past columns how you handle anyone who disagrees with your ideology....you even call Labor leaders Communist while our President makes hot mic comments to sell America down the river. I don't doubt you are a Union laborer.......many reasons you lose. Character assassination, diversion, half-truths, BUSH (he was the Texas Ranger guy NOT Romney). A sad ending.
Logansdad
5:34 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Please, you are really making up stuff now aren't. I have been debating you. I have given you proof of Romney's past and what he is really like. You just refuse to see his bad side and that he is no different than any other former President or person running for office. Everything I posted was supported with proof.
Labor Leaders as communist. If you are referring to the former leader of Poland, it is true. But that doesn't bother. You can label everyone else an "ist" but when it comes to showing ties to terrorists like the Bush family, that doesn't because Bush was your hero.
When it comes to people like you, nothing matters before 1/20/09. Since then everything is a big deal.
Spencer D. Smith
9:32 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Do any of you really feel you're going to convince the other you're right? These political arguments always end up being arguments for argument's sake. No one every has a modicum of civility. We will all vote who we are going to vote for. Does anyone really think they're going to convince dems to vote gop or vice versa? All that is being done is fostering hostility.
What a Deal!
6:32 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Logansdad...if you knew me, you would know I am no fan of Bush. You do NOT know me, obviously or you wouldn't say that. LOL, and you accuse me of making it up....your "proof" comes in the form of the "obvious"...who disputes he met with Lech Walesa...obvious... You gave a list of all these things Obama did....big friggin deal. He should have been fixing the damn economy and working on Joe Bidens 3 letter word...J O B S.... But did he? NO. Heck NO....He was to busy with credit card reform. Big deal. Credit card companies worked around it because he had no foresight. Yes, I am no fan of Obama. He said he "would not sleep" until jobs are created. I actually thought he would be a change. Hwe was such a great speaker. He is a disasterous change with no ideas, no new ideas, and works to get re-elected by dividing this country and riunning the dirtiest campaign of all time. Remember the red and blue?...No we are the red, white, and blue US. Big joke. This country is more divided than I have seen it in over 60 years. Is Romney different? Maybe, maybe not. But he's got new ideas that we need to try because Obama is out of ideas completely. It is YOU, that cannot handle the Republican beliefs and ideologies. You cling to this failure and defend him with you tube videos (proof?) and saying Romney visited a communist. Yes, Obama is an "ist", but it surely is NOT CAPITALIST. You can't handle the fact that anyone would disagree with you.
Logansdad
7:14 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
"You gave a list of all these things Obama did....big friggin deal."
Sorry that Obama did't prioritize his according to what you wanted done.
"He should have been fixing the damn economy and working on Joe Bidens 3 letter word...J O B S.."
That is a two way street. The same could be said for the Republicans. Instead they were working against Obama and for the middle class. They were the ones that ran on creating jobs in 2010, but instead all they did was "try to make Obama a one term president".
"He is a disasterous change with no ideas, no new ideas, and works to get re-elected by dividing this country and riunning the dirtiest campaign of all time. "
And what about Romney. No ideas except to be anti-Obama. He has flip flopped on practically every stance he ever took. Romney's ideas are Bush's ideas - the ones that got this country into this mess, but yet you call them NEW. ha ha ha.
Romney is an elitist. He only thinks of the top 1% and could care less for the middle class.
What a Deal!
6:36 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
You wouldn't even entertain the thought of something different. You are like a pice of lead. Go ahead and vote for the man that is putting your son, Logan, in debt before he is even old enough to pay taxes. Bet Logan can't wait to get his tax bill.....800 billion and we are still at 8.3% OMFG. Get a clue and don't accuse me of being anything that you don't know for sure, because you are wrong, and that I can say with 1000% certainty. That statement you made speaks for YOUR INTEGRITY. You are making it up. I didn't love him, but I sure as heck don't understand why, if this president and his followers continue to blame it all on one guy.. No integrity, and if you lie about that, you will lie about anything. I have no problem calling you out on that one. No matter what you or I think, don't make up crap about someone because they disagree with you.
Logansdad
7:16 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
"You wouldn't even entertain the thought of something different. "
I have yet to see something different. Romney is a tired old suit following a party's platform that hasn't changed in 60 years.
"Get a clue and don't accuse me of being anything that you don't know for sure, because you are wrong,"
I call it as I see it.
"but I sure as heck don't understand why, if this president and his followers continue to blame it all on one guy"
Look back at history and you will see that a lot of Republicans were blaming Clinton for things.
What a Deal!
7:26 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
As I said....you state the obvious as if it were an original thought. Insult people and are clueless about it. Have no integrity. And lie. You don't call it as you see it....well, maybe you do. But your vision is narrow and one-sided. The more you open your mouth the more obvious it all is. Just blame it on Bush and keep at character assassination. You jus don't get it. Vote for you arrogant President and keep Logan down for his whole life, long after you are dead. I'm sure it doesn't bother you....get a job.
Logansdad
7:34 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
And what is your original thought - to call me a liar because you can't dispute what I had previous posted. My vision is narrow minded....You are the one that is acting is Romney is the next savior, you can't see that he is the next incarnation of Bush.
Get a job. I have one, but thanks for assuming things.
What a Deal!
9:15 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
No. Clearly you were called a liar because you called me a Bush lover. You don't know me or where I stand on Bush......I am not a drone like yourself.
What a Deal!
7:27 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
1. Hospital Insurance Tax. Beginning in 2013, Obamacare increases the Hospital Insurance (HI) portion of the payroll tax from 9 percent to 3.8 percent for families earning more than $250,000 a year and for single filers earning more than $200,000 annually. The increased HI tax is also applied to investment income for the first time. The 3.8 percent surtax on investment income is the most economically damaging tax in Obamacare. And these tax increases won't remain just on families making more than $250,000 a year for long. As the JEC explains, this tax is not indexed to inflation: "This means that in just 10 years from now, the so-called 'high-income' thresholds will have effectively ratcheted down to $152,000 and $190,000 in today's dollars." This tax increase amounts to $210 billion between 2013 and 2019.
2. Mandate Penalties. In 2014, Obamacare's individual and employer mandates go into effect, forcing individuals to purchase coverage and employers to offer coverage to their workers. The penalties paid in association with these mandates are an estimated $65 billion between 2014 and 2019.
3. Health Insurance Provider Fee. Starting in 2014, Obamacare imposes an annual fee on health insurance providers based on each company's share of the total market. This totals a $60 billion tax hike between 2014 and 2019.
What a Deal!
7:28 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
4. "Cadillac" Tax. In 2018, Obamacare puts a new 40 percent excise tax on "Cadillac" health plans, meaning plans that cost more than $10,200 for an individual and $27,500 for families. However, this tax is not indexed to medical inflation, causing it to eventually tax "Honda" plans at this rate as well. The JEC points out that "[t]he bulk of revenues from the 'Cadillac' tax would not be paid by platinum health insurance plans, but rather by employees who are forced to exchange tax-free health insurance benefits for taxable wages after employers reduce or eliminate health insurance." This tax amounts to $32 billion in higher taxes in the first two years of its implementation.
5. Prescription Drug Fees. Since 2011, Obamacare has put an annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs based on each individual company's share of the total market. Between 2011 and 2019, this will amount to a $27 billion tax increase.
6. Ethanol Tax. In 2010, Obamacare excluded ethanol from the existing cellulosic biofuel producer tax credit. This will hike taxes $24 billion from 2010-2019.
7. Medical Device Tax. Beginning in 2013, Obamacare imposes a 2.3 percent excise tax on medical device manufacturers. This will raise taxes on patients needing medical devices, who will ultimately pay the tax through higher prices, by $20 billion from 2013 to 2019.
What a Deal!
7:28 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
8. Business Regulation Costs. Beginning in 2012, Obamacare raises corporate taxes through stricter enforcement, because businesses will be required to report more information on their business activities. This will raise taxes $17 billion from 2012 to 2019.
9. Reducing Medical Deductions. In 2013, Obamacare raises the floor on itemized medical deductions from 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income to 10 percent, meaning Americans must spend 2.5 percent more of their income before they get a medical deduction, costing $15 billion from 2013 to 2019.
10. FSA Limits. Starting in 2014, Obamacare limits the amount of pre-tax dollars that taxpayers can deposit in flexible savings accounts (FSAs) to $2,500 a year. This results in an extra $13 billion in taxes from 2014 to 2019
What a Deal!
7:29 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Above are Letterman's tn top TAXES that Obama has given the middle class. Rolling Stones song....under my thumb. That's where Logan will be all his life. Under the governments thumb.
Logansdad
7:36 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
So much having an original thought. You are great at copying and pasting other people's lists.
Seems like you are obsessed with Logan. Why don't you worry about your own problems. Logan will be just fine.
What a Deal!
9:36 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I figured you would have ZERO response to the largest tax increase ever imposed on the American people......and they didn't/don't even want what was forced down their throat. Talk about blued, screwed, and tattoed.
What a Deal!
7:40 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Here's how it works according to Logansdad's rules....get a job. (Logansdad) "I have a job"....i say, no you don't because i said you don't. simple. make it up as you go.
What a Deal!
7:43 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I'm afraid he won't.......
What a Deal!
7:44 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
How about this copy and paste list?
Accomplished by Obama….
Create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to invest in peer-reviewed manufacturing processes
Extend child tax credits and marriage-penalty fixes
Create an international tax haven watch list
Increase minority access to capital
Require economic justification for tax changes
Implement "Women Owned Business" contracting program
Change standards for determining broadband access
Create a consumer-friendly credit card rating system
Establish a credit card bill of rights
Expand loan programs for small businesses
Extend the Bush tax cuts for lower incomes
Extend and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch
Close the "doughnut hole" in Medicare prescription drug plan
Expand the Senior Corps volunteer program
Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions
Give tax credits to those who need help to pay health premiums
Require large employers to contribute to a national health plan
Require children to have health insurance coverage
Expand eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP)
Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq
Begin removing combat brigades from Iraq
No permanent bases in Iraq
Reform No Child Left Behind
Provide affordable, high-quality child care
Repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy
Sign a "universal" health care bill
Invest in all types of alternative energy
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7:45 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Off the top of your head?
Logansdad
8:00 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Now you are copying and pasting other people's posts. Can you come up with anything on your own. If it will please you, I can say you are the King of Copy and Paste and give you an award.
What a Deal!
7:51 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Please thank Harry Reid for this one......obstructionism from the democrats.
http://www.majorityleader.gov/jobstracker/
Logansdad
7:58 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Just because Cantor and the Crier of the House think they are job bills doesn't mean they are.
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/article/2011/dec/06/so-how-you-do-you-define-jobs-bill/
What a Deal!
7:52 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
REMEMBER WHEN... decorum and civility were treasured? When an old fashioned Bugs Bunny cartoon was acceptable? When porn was only in the sleazy part of town? When peace was the goal? When war was a dirty word? When it was a civic duty to fight racism? Remember when people were tough? When "bullying" was physical violence? When religion taught love? Remember when our leaders could work together for our future? Remember when we had HOPE? Who has done this to our society??? Who has made us morally weak, pliable sponges consuming whatever is shoved in front of us? We have become brainless livestock. Now the question is, for who
Logansdad
7:56 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Mr doom and gloom or is it Mr. Chicken Little, you sound very paranoid.
"We have become brainless livestock." That is a side effect of watching Fox News.
What a Deal!
9:33 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I really figured you could do better than that on this one.....disappointed out of all that you focus on brainless livestock. I should have known you would disappoint me. You should go to bed and get some rest. I think you are all worn out.
What a Deal!
7:54 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Obama could have tripled his accomplishments if Harry Reid would get the heck out of the way....
http://www.majorityleader.gov/jobstracker/
Logansdad
8:22 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Wow, you think posting the same link twice is going to make your claim any true. You link has been proven wrong
here: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/03/bogus-bipartisan-claims/
and once again here: http://www.politifact.com/ohio/article/2011/dec/06/so-how-you-do-you-define-jobs-bill/
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7:57 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Lets watch MSNBC and get a thrill up our leg and accuse everyone of playing the race card.
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7:58 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I guess if you say it, it must be true...Logansdad, a legend, in his own mind!
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8:04 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Give any award you please. I won't accept it from someone with no integrity. You missed the point (sound familiar Bush?). That was your list, your copy, your paste (as you know I'm sure) the point is ....why is it everytime you accuse someone of something...you have already done it yourself?
Logansdad
8:24 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
You wont accept any truth unless it agrees with your agenda. I have copied and pasted once, not every single post like you, but you claim I don't have an original thought. You just parrot all of Fox News talking points.
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8:05 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
yeah, check out the lies and trutrhs on this one.....http://www.politifact.com/
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8:33 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Well at least you didn't let me down....Liberals love to throw the "FOX News" comment out, and the parrott reference don't they???..next it will be a Hitler comment and further attempts to suppress anyone's speech and ideas that doesn't agree with them. It wouldn't be a normal day without a FOX news, Bush, Hitler, trash talk, parrot, talking points, blah, blah, blah....a little to much liberal news media watching there Logansdad...suppress speech, right? Chick-fil-A anyone?
Logansdad
9:01 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
"Liberals love to throw the "FOX News" comment out, and the parrott reference don't they???..next it will be a Hitler comment and further attempts to suppress anyone's speech"
This coming from the one that made a reference about MSNBC and everyone playing the "race card".
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9:08 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Oh, but, to state the obvious, the MSNBC comment was made after your FIRST reference to FOX news.....so now you made a SECOND comment about FOX, multiple comments about Bush, and the typical "parroting" and talking points....so whose repeating themselves??.....you sound like the proverbial broken record. Like I said, you always accuse, but you always do first what you accuse others of.....CAD...
Logansdad
9:56 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
So just the mention of Fox News made you upset. You were the one that came up with the insults here
"Lets watch MSNBC and get a thrill up our leg and accuse everyone of playing the race card."
"next it will be a Hitler comment and further attempts to suppress anyone's speech and ideas that doesn't agree with them"
And yet you blame me for the insults. Seems like you can dish them out, but can't take them.
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9:48 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Well, it was a nice discussion until Logansdad came in with his insults. There went any decorum.
Logansdad
10:02 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Whatever. Typical Republican, can't face the truth so you parrot everything back. Look back at the insults. This one is communist, this one is a radical, maosit, socialist, Those were your comments.
What a deal. More like what a crock.
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10:01 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
That's just a poor, weak comeback Logansdad.....why do you dwell on such things over and over and repeating yourself? Yaaaawwwwnnnnnnn.
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10:02 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Must have hit a nerve with the MSNBC, Chris Matthews comments!
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10:06 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Get original...LD. I describe the traits of a liberal an hour ago, now you "parrot" your ideas of a Republican back, then make accusations. You are even a sorry excuse for a liberal.
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10:06 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
YOU didn't think that one up!!
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10:08 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Here' some science for you LD...one of my favorite quotes that I copied and pasted but it fits you to a T:
The root of liberal mental disorder is in the personality development of the individual who does not mature normally to value self-sufficiency and independence. Such individuals seek a parental substitute. The most convenient is a socialist government. Those with liberal mental disorder are willing to trade their potential for success through education, hard work and respect for others for government subsidies funded through redistribution of wealth which normally accrues to those who earn their money through hard work. Many liberals want a free ride on the wings of success off the rest of us and believe that in order to achieve that free ride, government must impose harsh rules which are essentially punishment of hard working Americans, in the form of progressive taxation and other schemes designed to divert personal wealth to those who depend upon government. - Dr.
Alan Bates, MD.
Emotion + democrat – logic = EMO-crats
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10:09 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Let the government do it for you...they are so efficient...maybe someday you will have a bowel disorder and they can help you out!
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10:10 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Boy, Ann Romney would decimate Michelle Obama!!! Like Mitt will do to Boots Obama...
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10:12 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I know you are gonna accuse me of something you did earlier in these posts....hey, thats kinda like blaming it on Bush..
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10:13 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Whatever....sounds like my teenage grandaughter.....insert <<FONT for sarcasm>> and say <<whatever>>.....<<sigh>>. Another late but not forgotten quote by Logans dad.
Jimmy J
10:27 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
What a Deal! Great substantive remarks! Republicans and Romney will succeed on November 6th...continuing disappointment with Obama first made evident in 2010 elections.
Brian
2:40 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Have enough votes been eliminated yet to allow this fair,democratic election to swing in our favor?
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6:30 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
@ Thomas Walker who said...."@what a deal The senate never took a vote 99-00 that's an old one. you really need to stop watching fox news."...well, eat your MSNBC watching hat PAL.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote/
A budget resolution based on President Obama’s 2013 budget failed to get any votes in the Senate on Wednesday. In a 99-0 vote, all of the senators present rejected the president’s blueprint.
It’s the second year in a row the Senate has voted down Obama’s budget.
Obama's 2012 budget failed 97 to 0 last May after Obama himself last April said he wanted deeper deficit cuts.
The House earlier this year unanimously rejected Obama's budget.
The White House sought to provide cover for Democrats to vote against the Obama budget resolution before the vote, arguing the resolution offered by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) was different from Obama’s budget because it did not include policy report language.
Democrats made the same point on the floor Wednesday in explaining their votes.
The Senate also voted on four GOP budget blueprints, which were all defeated
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6:32 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
@ Thomas Walker.....here is what I said to Logansdad last night...you are just further proof of the HATE that one party can hold to a network who differs. But I heard MSNBC counts YOU as #17, out of 44 viewers so we can't hold it against you. Anyway, from last night...
<<To Logansdad, 8/28/2012>> Well at least you didn't let me down....Liberals love to throw the "FOX News" comment out, and the parrott reference don't they???..next it will be a Hitler comment and further attempts to suppress anyone's speech and ideas that doesn't agree with them. It wouldn't be a normal day without a FOX news, Bush, Hitler, trash talk, parrot, talking points, blah, blah, blah....a little to much liberal news media watching there Logansdad...suppress speech, right? Chick-fil-A anyone?
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6:33 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
And please don't tell me the vote NEVER happened.....if it weren't so sad it would be funny. Denial is painful.
Brian
6:35 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Suppression of speech, are we talking about Ron Paul at the RNC? The only guy who could fix this country.