Thank you Kay. The article has been updated to reflect that change.

Its not the irresponsible reporting that is making me panic, its the 20 children that are being buried that scares the hell out of me. I would like to know why anyone would want an assualt weapon , it only has one purpose and that is to kill a large number of people in a very short time.I am tired of that lame ass excuse that you want to protect America in case we get invaded, that excuse in itself will tell me that you are mentally unfit to own that weapon, YOU ARE PERINOID and need help.

Thanks for the weapons analysis but if the intention to Jill is present it really doesn't matter what rifle is to use, we have to stop this BS

Doesn't an AR-15 shoot the same type of ammo. as an M16, which is an assault rifle? Ergo, if one squeezed off 3 rounds in .5 seconds from an AR-15, it would be now considered an assault rifle. Especially by the person on the receiving end.

I just don't see how the guy could be charged with unlawful USE of a weapon if the only thing he really did wrong was steal them, not USE them. And don't anybody try to argue intent because thinking about doing something, and actually DOING it are two completely different things. The only thing this guy should have been charged with is possession of stolen property and unlawful possession of a firearm by a felon.

To comment on the questionable charge of Unlawful Use: Mr. Dunne had an unwilling passenger in the vehicle who entered Wal-Mart and tipped police. I'm close to this situation. Mr. Dunne is a very troubled individual with drug addiction and previous burglary and weapons offenses. He should not be back on the streets for a long time. New charges in PA will include missing his court date and leaving the state while on probation.

Full auto or not, it still fires the same high-velocity ammunition that the M-16 and M-4 assault rifles do. Adam Lanza used a semi-auto AR-15 to kill 26 people in CT. I thought that the "AR" in AR-15 stood for either Assault Rifle or Automatic Rifle. Either way, you're splitting hairs here, and there's every reason to be concerned that the idiot had an AR-15 and 1000 rounds of ammo in a Wal-Mart parking lot!

Firstly, the story does call it a semi-automatic. Secondly, it's not this kind of story that causes panic, it's stories of people shooting little children that is causing panic...

YOU are the problem. This individual was appropriately arrested due to the fact they were stolen. I legally own certain weapons. If I am transporting them from house a. to house b. IT IS LEGAL. If I choose to conceal them then I must present my cc permit to law enforcement if stopped. To hunt properly, sportsmanlike and to be able to put meat on the table a Bushmaster rifle is an appropriate rifle among others to get a clean well placed shot. The caliber the murderer used .223 is smaller than a deer rifle caliber, and would be more for coyotes and varmints. America and those like you are s..t if deer and varmint rifles are banned as semi not fully automatic . I am a 65+ woman and am embarrassed by women like you. Grow up and get some brains. If you know nothing about guns then don't discuss. A bushmaster .223 is a caliber for smaller game...like coyotes...not deer. Quit acting like those that own them are a danger to you or anyone. Semi automatic requires single finger squeeze firing, not a spray of machine gun bullets. The murderer could have just as easily chosen to use a single fatal shot on each victim and moved through the building. 26+ victims would be possible even with a three shell shotgun, and his using quick manual reloading. He chose to use multiple shots in each victim for some reason. To assume there would have been less fatalities or fewer victims with a different style gun is speculation.

You don't "assault" someone that's trying to harm you or your family- Its called PROTECTING.

Exactly. UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Move to the UK. There you are 5 times more likely to be a victim of violent crime than in the US. Ignorant.

Make that "felon, stolen gunS, lots of ammunition..." and it just gets even better.

Glad this incident didn't escalate.

It is legal to have a gun in your vehicle. This man was arrested because they were stolen. What is it you don't get about the law?

The article said he was a convicted felon

THE GUN WAS STOLEN. THERE WAS A WARRENT OUT FOR HIM.

The author had to correct calling it an assault weapon, and did. Read the top. She stated she corrected it.

A gun is a gun??? Not quite. There's a BIG difference between a bb gun and a 12 guage Shotgun. Would you panic if you saw a bb gun???

That is why the permit restricts exposing it. In Texas it allows stopping someone stealing your property. Too bad the fruit cakes on here won't like that.

So, having a NO BOND warrent out for his arrest for possession of stolen weapons does not make him a criminal?

No. The .223 caliber is too light to use on larger game effectively unless you get perfectly placed shots. A higher caliber Bushmaster is designed for deer, elk and moose hunting. The CT murderer used a lightweight caliber rifle. Wood stocks are heavier. BTW. NO ONE. Uses rifles to shoot birds.

US 34. Do you know what that means? Does not have to go coast to coast to be a US route.

Who ever said that the only way that people can travel to another state is by main highways? Ever hear the expression "All roads lead to Rome"? There is no rule that says that people can't take the "Scenic route".

A gun is a gun is a gun? You must be terrified of bb guns.

Benjamin, what is with you and the bb gun's? Dawn is right a gun is a gun. With all the violence in the world if I saw someone sitting in a parking lot with any kind of gun I would call the authorities. Maybe a little sensitivity to the recent events would be nice from you. I know as a regular citizen who has never held a gun or seen one up close I wouldn't know how to tell one apart from the other. But that doesn't give you a right to mock someone for not being trained or knowledgeable about guns.

Stay the h..ll out of the second amendment and I'll be nice. I never post on these fruity forums. BUT the gross ignorance is pathetic here. Women are the worst. Get some brains on the topic instead of "gee it's scary". The worst mass killing in a school in the US was done with home made explosives. About double the fatalities and were little children.

Thanks for the explanation, but it still makes no sense. He had a no bond warrant in PA - meaning PA thought he was dangeorous and should be locked up. He should have been held in jail and sent back to PA.

It sounds like the Upper Allan Township Police Department (where Dunne was originally charged with the gun thefts) is aware that OPD has him in custody. I'm sure there is a reason for the amount of the bond vs. no bond, but it looks like everyone is on the same page.
http://upperallenpolice.com/wp/?p=10942

Some warrants have geographical limitations, meaning that you can only be arrested if you are in a certain state or county. The judge sets this along with bond amount. The States Attorney can make recommendations but the judge has final say so.

Oh a nice little quote from Mrs Marxist Clintonista. It takes a village. No, it takes one person able to defend themselves to stop a criminal.

So do baseball bats, cars and abusive husbands with fists. Just because you're too terrified to care if you're being told the truth or not doesn't mean everyone else is.

a baseball bat? seriously?! or even a car or an abusive husband? im so sick and tired of the idiotic comparisons that pop up. yes, you are 100% right, a baseball bat, or a car, or an abusive husband can kill a person, but can they do it at the rate of MULTIPLE BULLETS A SECOND WITH A 30 ROUND CAPACITY CLIP?? comparing apples to apples is one thing, but trying to compare acorns to apples is a little more irresponsible that accidentally saying assault weapon instead of semi-automatic. if we were gonna be honest here, i think we could admit that regardless of whether someone knows the difference between assault, semi-automatic or automatic, the bottom line is that these weapons are made to kill people, and are made for the sole purpose of making gun manufacturers money and purchased because of societies misguided belief that he who has the biggest gun wins. i support your right to bear arms, what i have a problem with is when your right to bear arms infringes on 20 childrens rights (all of them under the age of 7, mind you) to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. if that guy would have walked into that school with a baseball bat, or drove through the front door, or started swinging with his fists instead of having the weapons he did, the loss of life would have been astronomically lower.

Even in your outrage you're proving my point. You're whining on and on about assault weapons, which had nothing to do with my initial post. You obviously don't know the difference between an assault weapon, an assault rifle and a shotgun, yet you feel qualified to lecture those who do. You dismiss things you don't understand as irrelevant. Is this how you teach your children to approach their school work? If you don't understand that equation, just guess what goes after the x and it's good enough?

Educate yourself if you want your opinion on the subject to be worth something. Until then, you're just babbling. Screaming and exploiting the deaths of 20 children to champion your political cause is disgusting. Lying while you do it cheapens them even more. If nothing else, respect them enough to know what you're talking about before you speak.

wow, again with the idiotic comparisons. you stay on your gun loving high horse and keep trying to insult anyone who doesnt support your views. YOU and your across the board defense of weapons are precisely why we need gun legislation. peace out.

My "across the board defense of weapons"? I'm defending weapons across the board simply by pointing your factual errors? And I get a high horse with it, too! Do you read what you type or do you just set your phaser to incoherent rant and let loose?

Matches cause arson. Should we ban or register all matches? If guns cause crime, then mine are defective.

We know that. We also know that it is a rifle with adequate power for small game hunting. A shotgun with certain loads could be more deadly.

I would keep a weapon like this in my house to prevent people like this dude from coming in and hurting my family. Folks without something like this for defense are apt to have BAD things happen to them.

SR- I agree that we should all be thankful this ended without someone getting hurt. With all the recent events, it not good enough"just to be glad". We need to have this discussion to figure out some kind of a solution. I honestly don't know what that is, but something has to change. I don't think tighter gun laws are the answer because crazy people don't care what the law is if they want to kill people. I think there needs to be a better crack down on the places that sell guns in online classified ads. (I won't name the website!) I also think that if you want a deadly weapon like an assault rifle, it should have to made inoperable in case it gets stolen.

I'd settle for people who don't know the difference between weapons, and who haven't bothered to read a single gun law, educating themselves before screaming about what needs to be changed and how things they know nothing about are "evil". It's like the ancient primitives who thought thunderstorms were gods trying to smite them.

How many servicemen and women come out of service with mental issues. You think giving them access to assult weapons is going to stop mass shootings?

Logansdad - As a veteran's wife, I take offense to your comment. These mass shootings are not being done by recently discharged vets. They are by 18-20 year old boys who have been playing violent video games, watching violent TV shows, been neglected by their parents, have no respect for human life and/or have mental issues. Our vets are coming home missing arms and legs or in body bags because they don't want to fire on innocent civilians. Those with PTSD, who have it from dealing with the evil and atrocities that others do, are not going out and shooting up classrooms full of kids. Your comment is uninformed and insensitive.

wk524,
Sorry if you took offense but it is a reality. My comment is uniformed. I think you forgot about Timothy McVeigh. While he didnt use a gun, he still was responsible for the second worst mass killing on US soil. He served in the military and had mental issues. The US has been at war for the past 10 years and many soldiers are coming home with PTSD - mental issues. Allowing these people to have CCW is not a good idea.

So Logansdad, you asked the question, give the answer. What percentage of discharged vets have mental issues? I think you don't know. How many enter into the police force or other security services? So I guess we should disarm the police, Homeland Security and so on because many are retired military and might loose it . And no II don't forget about Timothy McVeigh but I don't use one person to generalize an entire subpopulation of the country and you're right he didn't use guns so why are we discussing gun control?

You are in denial if you dont think the number of soldiers coming home from these two wars with mental issues hasnt increased. Look at the facts the number of sucides has certainly increased. Soldiers dont like to admit they are having mental issues but hey given them a FOID card and a permit to CCW.

Thank you for your service and your sane remarks. You are exactly right.
The no gun zones attract all the illegal mass shootings. People that don't make an effort to learn and keep some self defense for their home are dumber than dirt, and that is a fact. The posters here are ignorant and call things assault weapons. A knife is an assault weapon. A 20 year old in Japan killed nearly 50 people in a village in the night, with a knife and a machete, be headed his grandmother. He didnt want to be heard committing murder.

I agree with you Katt!!! Thank you unnamed witness!! My daughter and I just left Wal-mart and my daughter says, "Mom, there is a police car in the parking lot, I wonder what happened". So glad to be able to tell the unnamed witness Thank you right now because so much could of happened if she/he had not called the police.

Translation: everyone who isn't as terrified as you must be crazy? Do you know when spree killings happen in Israel, where military service is mandatory, the shooters are taken out long before they have time to do the kind of damage they do here?

Incidentally, I'm sure the men and women of our Armed Forces are eternally grateful for your confidence in their ability to fake a psych screening just to be enlisted.

Maureen, you accuse others of being ridiculous but your statements are full of emotion and irrational. Where do you get your statistics that "this country has a very high number of people with some form of mental illness" anyway? Neither the Colorado or Connecticut shooters were vets. Germany and Israel are just two nations that have mandatory enlistment - Israel is both male and female. Israel in particular has no qualms about defending themselves on the street and soldiers with machine guns are common. They have to when people are constantly trying to blow them up, who are not clinically mental ill anyway, but terrorists could be defined as such. But back to your point, do you not think there are psych evals? Boot camp is a great filter for those who are not up to the stresses of military life. An appreciation for what it takes to defend this country by every citizen is not a bad thing. As a Marine wife I can tell you that anyone who has had to pull the trigger - cop or military - does not do so lightly. No one who has been to war ever wants to be there and will do everything possible to avoid it. So a small percentage of the population with mental illness is not a rational argument against mandatory enlistment.

Sorry Maureen but you are very uneducated on this, irrational and sound like a paranoid mother and have it just plain WRONG! The U.S. is one of the very few countries that does not require it's citizens to serve in the military - Fact. Do you seriously believe "this country" is the only one with a "very high" number of people with mental illness - Opinion? We have no more or no less than any other country. The dumbass in this shooting was weak and was most likely picked on all his life as he was admittedly slow (autistic) and somewhat of an outcast. This is fact. Right or wrong it's fact.
We live in a cruel world where sticks and stones eventually lead to some people breaking bones and shooting up schools, shopping malls, movie theatres and blowing up government installations, His mother should have had the guns locked up properly since she knew her kid was off kilter - Fact. She is the one to blame, not the kid even though he did the shooting. She obtained the guns legally and had the right to own them. I never said anything would end the problem but it would quiet people down from shooting off their mouths about guns killing people. GUNS DON'T KILL, people do. Does the military weed out all the nut jobs - NO they don't and I realize that. All I'm saying is that I would like to see the playing field leveled.
I think I will place all my family in a giant bubble and live life happily ever after - NOT.

The only true liberty is the right to defend yourself with words or a weapon. Your illness is a willingness to strip that liberty in the name of the hitlerite in the White House. No one is suggesting insane people be licensed to do anything. The rest of us have a right to defend ourselves from burglars rapists and the tyranny you are suggesting.

YOU are wrong. YOU have no idea what this gun is designed for. You think citizens do not have right to defend themselves? This rifle is a Rifle. Not a machine gun.

Well there, then. It's settled. Did you hear that all drug dealers, sex offenders, organized crime syndicates and desperate thieves? Some woman in Oswego said we should all just not have guns, so you'll have to give them back now. Just like the guy with the car full of stolen guns at WalMart did...

We don't need one for every classroom but I wouldn't mind seeing a Marine standing guard outside my kids school, how about you? The problem with your argument is that someone else does have a gun - and that someone is not a law abiding citizen. More gun laws only restrict law abiding citizens from being able to defend themselves when the police can't get there fast enough - like at Sandy Hook or Aurora CO movie theater. Those who grow up around guns don't think anything of them in their homes or schools or anywhere else and have a healthy respect for them because they have been taught about them.

Let's all just not have guns? I'm sure the criminals will be the first to hand theirs over. We need guns because no matter what laws are passed, criminals will always have guns. Let's look at drugs for a real life example. They're illegal, yet our prisons are full of people who have been convicted of possession or use of drugs. Newsflash: Criminals don't pay attention to laws!

....That's why it's a good thing that the conceal/carry law in Illinois has been repealed.

Don't you love how Logans dad has implied that you and my husband are unstable because you served? My street has about 10 vets on it from various branches and I think it is the best block in town. And as my husband has explained in more than one conversation, boot camp is a great filter for those unable to handle military service, don't you agree. Ooh Rah and Semper Fi Derek!

WK524, I wholeheartedly agree!......There are simply those that will NEVER understand....thus we'll need to contend with that segment of society as well.

I am so thankful for all the men and women that serve for this country. I also think that its not the guns that is the problem its the criminals that have them. I grew up around guns. I respect them and know how to properly use them. I think its wrong to have stricter gun laws because the criminals will not care about that law.

I agree. Guns are not the problem, it's the people BEHIND the guns. They could take all our guns away but the mentally disturbed problem will still be there. Liberals and everyone else needs to take the focus of the guns and get to the ROOT of the problem.

They are so incredibly ignorant they make me ashamed and embarrassed a. To be a woman. B. to be an American. Totally ignorant thinking and willingness to destroy the Constitution protection of our rights.

amen

I agree with you only the guns should not be destroyed. They were stolen, remember? They should be returned to their rightful owner (After they've been administered as evidence in his trial, of course).

OK...I spent 25 years in Oswego & that area.

None of what he did is even illegal here in Arizona. We carry concealed or open in public every day. And we can buy our guns without any permits or licenses. It is no big deal to see the guy or girl in front of you in line at the grocery store with a holstered handgun on their hip or shoulder.

He didnt. His passenger went into the store and reported him.

Manipulated by liberals.....someone has been listenin to Fox News way to much.

Well us liberals are sick and tired of all the mass killings on school campuses and in public settings and are trying to do something to prevent them from happening again.

"We live in a fallen world and we can't make it better."
Good thing for you, the world is coming to an end on Friday. Then you don't have to worry about the sad state of our world.

These posters are arrogant condescending know it alls that will willingly become the brown shirts for their master. FEAR THEM. They have no respect for the Constitution. They have zero knowledge of guns or the mass murders committed in other countries without guns.

It's not video games, I had plenty of those when I was a kid. It's not giving children toy guns, I had those when I was a kid too. I've played paintball as well. Yet, I'm not out there commiting crazy acts.

Good luck. These posters let their kids use pacifiers when they are old enough to walk and talk.

Who said we did or ever will? Keeping a tyrannical government at bay that wishes to ban bullets is the best reason for gun ownership. This crowd here is definitely in that tyrannical category.

If we did out ban them, only criminals would have them... Oooohhhhh.

A hummer is designed to go at convoy speed. The brown shirts here would still ban them.

There's nothing wrong with giving kids ANY of those kinds of guns. However, it's important to educate our kids about those weapons, something that you obviously need to do for yourself. I handled firearms when I was a child. But the adults that were present were sure to teach me proper gun safety and how to properly operate them. I am a member of the Sons of the American Revolution. My ancestors fought and bled for my (And every other american's) 2nd amendment right. That being said, I say: Yes! Guns, guns, guns!

What is wrong with you? When I was a little girl we all played cowboys and Indians with cap guns. My high school had rifle club as a PE elective. It was once a week at an indoor range. I loved it. The program was in place for years. NO ONE before during or after became a murderer. I think people who fear guns are absurd. I won't have anything to do with them. This is one of the key items that guarantees liberty, freedom, and civility. FACT.

The school shooters mother was a responsible gun owner as well. She didnt keep her guns locked up, she trained her son how to use the rifle.

If you know ANYTHING you know that high powered assault rifles are already illegal. This item of discussion IS NOT high power or an assault weapon: it is a varmint .223 caliber rifle. Not appropriate in caliber for deer hunting.

Apparently you're not supposed to know anything about guns if you comment on this article. Doing so is some sort of admission of being insane, double insane if you are also a past or present member of our armed forces. Never have I been so grateful to have moved away from this town, and that's quite a sad thing to contemplate.

People have been afraid of the "black gun" for along time. As they were of the "switch blade" before the AR was even designed. We need something to happen. But take away the odject used and the problem will still remain. He shouldnt have had any gun he is a criminal and thankfully he was caught and imprisoned.

I'm sure you are aware that there are NRA articles on deer hunting with the.223. Not everyone agrees that it isn't enough for deer. That said, I come from a family of hunters (though we do not hunt and therefore do not see any reason to own weapons), and no one in my family hunts with anything like these weapons.

I too am astounded by the media and the knee-jerk reactions. After this CT incident (and even before) I agreed "assault rifles" served no good purpose and should be banned. Then I did some research and quickly realized that in reality, there is no definition of "assualt weapon" and that what people are afraid of are those weapons that "look" like military weapons- that really do not differ at all from semi-auto "hunting" rifles. In fact, most of those that are thought of as "assault rifles" are less powerful than their less menacing looking cousins. Great video on you tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yATeti5GmI8

I am more worried about being harmed by a DUI driver than a shooter this holiday. The percentages are stacked in this direction and more to the point more people reading this can do something to prevent it. Influence what you can control and don't worry on what you can't control!

You sir are misinformed I can't remember when I saw Police officer with a revolver. You may want to look a little closer at what most carry, semi-auto 9mm or 45's with at least a 9 shot magazine (clip). Then you may want to check out the trunks, they have those scarry assault rifles. Most of you people know nothing about firearms and should refrain from spouting off whatever news site tells you what a assault weapon is. The goverment can't decide what to call a assault weapon. The goverment still can't decide who has mental problems. The goverment can tell us what kind of toliet to crap in. what does that say about goverment

My comment was that people should be able to protect themselves with a firearm, but anything more than a handgun, unless a hunter or sportsman, is in my opinion overkill for personal protection in the home. I don't feel that is being misinformed, I feel that is being logical. If you think it is normal for people to have multiple assault weapons at the ready at the kitchen table or bedside, I think you're the one that's misinformed. No offense, just my opinion.

Wrong. The intent is to be protected from a tyrannical government. Hand guns won't do that. If the founders thought so they would have specifically said right to bear pistols. I don't have to succumb to any other version, unless you sickos manage to legally amend the constitution.

What responsible gun owner is going to have a loaded wespon out at dinner time with kids around.

Well said and reasoned....not emotional. It's not guns that are the problem....... It's so much more. Less God and more " me", kids going from 3 to 30, trash TV over tasteful TV, etc etc etc.........best thing we could all do is smash the flat screen, unplug the Internet, and go to church proactively instead of reactively. It seems decorum and morals are long gone. Sad.

Logansdad: Perhaps a responsible gun owner like Nick Meli, who was at a mall with his friend and her baby? He can have dinner in a restaurant next to me and mine any day. Acquiring a CCW license generally involves safety training, the ability to shoot accurately, knowing when to shoot, and most importantly when *not* to shoot, as was demonstrated in my example.

JDK: Agreed! Additionally, great things we can do for our kids include talking with them, getting them involved in daily activities, and challenging them along the way. All while letting (and watching) them make mistakes so they can gain experience, and teaching them how to think for themselves. These things, what you've mentioned, and more, will serve to prevent our kids from turning into these monsters. That is the solution to the problem.

Because I respond in the manner with which I'm addressed. If people want to be respected, they will be respectful in their comments. Shall we now address the ones that keep referring to our armed forces as unstable and mentally ill? Or the ones who suggest anyone who knows the difference between 2 types of weapons is a whacked out gun nut? Respect is earned. Very few participants in these comments have done so.

Sorry KimB25.....I don't think Kay has been snide at all.....Perception is everything....
I personally think she has tried to be informative....if some would stop spewing their "fire and brimstone" long enough to digest a little of what she's saying, they might learn something. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions....but I get the feeling a lot here are spewing the same old tired rhetoric....and know NOTHING about guns...except perhaps how to spell "assault weapon, or "semi-automatic"

I think Kay sees there are enough rotten apples in the gun bin to spoil responsible rights. Considering how low the murder rate is in countries banning guns and with more of these horrible incidents a real possibility in the future, there will be no choice as to severely limit or possibly take away guns.

Liberals always use character assassination because they don't have intellect or logic to make credible points. That would be you. No snide intended. Just the facts mam.

Reasoned words, Drew Stephens. Thank you.

Dude,

This is an informed statement that i will be adopting as my belief. Thanks!!

Drew S: Actually the AR in AR-15 comes from the name Armalite. It does not stand for Assault Rifle or Automatic Rifle.

The AR-15 was originally designed by the Armalite Company (back then a subdivision of Fairchild). Armalite eventually sold the design and the rights to the AR-15 design to the Colt company, which is why they have the trademark for the name.

I won't contest the details of your statement, as I agree with most, except for one. I believe the Second Amendment also exists as a means for citizens to oppose a tyrannical government, should that ever occur. I realize in this day and age that is not feasible with the technology today's military. But it's with that sentiment that many people choose to keep and bear arms of that nature. And frankly, I don't believe that right should not be infringed upon.

However, I agree 100% that people should pass some sort of realistic sanity test, safety test, and thorough background check before possessing weapons. Even for pistols.

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
— Thomas Jefferson

'AR' stands for ArmaLite, not "assault rifle". The company even produces a pistol with the AR prefix.

"...& what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that his people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson clearly felt that the people should not only be armed, but armed to the point that they pose a threat to the government gone rogue. Its easy to lose sight of the bigger picture when acting upon emotion. What might feel like a logical and sensible solution in today's world could prove to be a very foolish decision in hindsight. my 2¢ fwiw.
-jc

Drew, you are incorrect. AR stand for "Automatic Rifle".

Buy a firearm in Illinois and you get a trigger lock included.

Rev, please cite your source. AR indeed comes from the original manufacturer ArmaLite. Just another one of the bogus gun facts the media spews. I have no issue with stricter laws, but let's make decisions based on facts and not spin and emotion

So, amend the constitution.

Thank you for reminding me why we inquire about if there are firearms in the house before we send our children over to play. I'd prefer that a law abiding citizen's gun not cause the death of my child on a playdate because the gun was stored in a dangerous manner by someone who thought a safe and trigger lock were too much trouble.

There is an asinine assumption that the murderers mother did not have a locked gun safe. I will be surprised if that turns out to be the case.

Thanks, but I'm hardly upset. More disappointed. Fear and paranoia are not the town I left when I moved away. It appears the larger the population has grown, the more watered down it has become. I do wonder how many of these people terrified of things they know nothing about are born and raised there, and how many are overflow Naperville transplants looking for their Starbucks utopia in the cornfield?

The stupid CNN reports use the terms interchangeably in the same article. They are the problem.

thank you for your comment, and thank you for your service. I would like to pull out the quote of yours. What if the populace is armed with knowledge instead of firearms ? Our right to bear arms pertains to raising a citizen army. Our armed forces (paid for by all of us) covers that. What if guns become a distant memory? Will people still kill people? Hell yeah. But it won't be a instantaneous bad decision, or a fight over something trivial, or a son seeking perceived vengeance against his mother - able to take out an entire classroom -- with a box cutter. Did the thugs on 9-11 manage to turn fully-fueled jets into flying bombs? Sure. Does that logically mean jets should be outlawed? no. and there are lots of safeguards keeping law abiding citizens honest.

What is the value of most -- people who have guns? Is it hunting? Is it swagger? Is it bling? I think we need to get into the psyche, starting at a really young age - by systematically eliminating the things that make our youth - think guns are in any way *cool*. The video games that desensitise. Hollywood -- and all the blowing up and murdering people. Rap stars who romanticize gun ownership and popping people. The media, touting each tragedy as the "biggest " or "worst" inciting copycat crimes. Placing toy guns in toddlers hands. I think THOSE are the biggest problems with guns. And I hope our civic leaders start looking at how to CHANGE instead of creating more police states.

Well said.

A wise man once said: "an armed man is a citizen; an un-armed man is a slave (to a tyrannical government".

Another saying from some pro-gun advocate - that is all that is.

Do you honestlyt think an un-armed man is just a slave. An un-armed man can defend themselves. A slave listens and does what they are told.

An armed man is a citizen? The shooter in the school killings was armed and a citizen. One could argue an armed man is a criminal.

Think about it.

US VET: First off, thank you for our service to this great country! I agree with you on your points. I feel the solution to your challenge would be education. Not only of guns, but more importantly in history. Perhaps a brief list of what gun control has done in the past is a good place to start:

Germany established gun control in 1928, and 13 million were killed from 1939-1945
Soviet Union, 1929, 200 million killed from 1929-1953
Turkey, 1911, 1.5 million from 1915-1917.
China, 1935, 200 million from 1948-1952.
Cambodia, 1956, 1 million people from 1975-1977
Guatemala, 1964, 100K from 1964-1981

Promoters of gun control: Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Lenin, Mao Tze Tung, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Karl Marx, Barack Obama, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Janet Reno, Bill Clinton.

2nd Amendment supporters: George Orwell, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry, John Adams, and every other brave soul that drafted the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution.

Even The Dalai Lama and Gandi promote lethal use of firearms in a defensive situation.

History repeats.

Thank you for your service and relevant comments. These people are jerks.

Well said. I don't understand why a few people on this thread don't think it's a big deal.

True they did not need guns to pull off their crime. The people also found ways to go after the terrorists without guns as well.

Absolutely without a doubt correct.

No, I would call the police. IL, for now, is still the state with the strictest gun laws in the country, and that includes how to properly transport them. People who read the gun laws before whining about them know that.

I would not then run around like a chicken with my head cut off screaming BAN ALL THE THINGS! I would not insult everyone who owns a gun and insist they are a gun nut or a thug or trying to compensate for something. I would not insult our armed forces and make a grand sweeping generalization that they are all mentally unstable. And most of all, I would not make an ass of myself insisting gun laws be changed to say things they already say because I was too lazy to find out what they said first.

If you wear a tinfoil hat, the media mind control powers will not work. If you also turn off Fox News, they will not work.

I dont even own a gun: You are correct. How many people have heard of Nick Meli, the man with a CCW license that intervened with the Clackamas shooting in Portland. After seeing Nick's weapon trained on him, the gunman's next round took his own life.

That story was barely a blip on televisions across the nation and world. The bigger question is who is paying the media to not report these stories?

People like to think guns are evil. They are not. Guns founded this country, firearms in the hands of citizens keeps us free.

I prefer not to exploit dead children to further my political opinion.

Lets stop with the attempts to make all of us feel guilty for something we didn't do or agree with. You are exploiting and insulting.

@Jennifer:There are few needs in life. No one "needs" 1000 rounds of ammo. So I guess the question is why would someone want that much?

Preppers: For those who feel the breakdown of society as we know it is imminent, ammo can be used as currency so to speak. If lawlessness reigns once again or if people must resort to hunting as their primary means of food, ammo is going to be an extremely valuable commodity for at least awhile until a new norm is established.

Self-defense: Prolonged firefights can and will happen in self-defense situations. This scenario is incredibly rare (I would say the preppers have a better chance of being right), but has happened at least several times I can think of in my lifetime.

Inflation: I bought a box of 500 rounds of 7.62x39mm ammo back about 15 years ago. It was a lot of 25 boxes of ammo @ 20 rounds a box and the price was less than $2 a box. The same 20 rounds box today is around 3 to 4 times the price.

Target Shooting: People who shoot a lot, especially handloaders, strive for perfection. They try different brands, different bullets, different this, different that, much the same way most people try different foods everyday. 20 rounds of this, 50 rounds of that add up to a boatload after a few years.

I could go on and on, but I only got 1500 words :)

Because we are in the midst of a very tyrannical movement from the whitehouse down to people like you who don't get it. HISTORY.

The concerned citizen has turned out to be an accomplice. Check out Harrisburg, PA news. He was arrested upon arrival in PA.

No question they miss the point. Intentionally and ignorantly.

"...just about all THAT'S required to keep most sheeple mollified..." Now they've got me doing it....