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School Board Set to Hear High School Addition Estimates

RSP & Associates also to deliver enrollment report Monday night.

The Oswego Community Unit School District 308 School Board will have its hands full of information Monday night at its regular meeting planned for 7 p.m. in the community room.

RSP & Associates, the group hired by the district to complete an updated enrollment study regarding a proposed third high school, will deliver its report to the board. According to board documents, district enrollment for the 2011-12 school year is 16,832, and projected for 2012-13 at 17,317, 2013-14 at 17,730 and by 2020-21 at 20,845.

Projections for the high schools alone show OHS at anywhere from 2,511 to 2,877 students by 2015-16. This figure is based on student residence information and not student attendance numbers. Student attendance figures show a possible range of 2,276 to 2,634 for the same year. Capacity for OHS is shown at 2,400.

For OEHS, also with a 2,400 capacity shown by RSP, 2015-16 numbers show a range of 2,454 to 2,681 students based on residence information and 2,623 to 2,842 based on attendance information.

The board will also hear presentations from the two architectural firms tasked with delivering projections on additions to OHS and OEHS.

According to preliminary estimates from Kluber Architects and Engineers Bringing OEHS to a maximum capacity of 3,200 students will cost the district $39.4 million. ATS&R Architects will present the board with their plan in six steps for its addition at OHS. Those steps range in cost from $32.6 million to $42.29 million.

Also on the agenda is a vote that would have all district administrator’s paying 20 percent of their monthly health care premiums—a campaign pledge made by Board President Bill Walsh. This would go into affect in the 2012-2013 school year. If the board should negotiate a greater district premium contribution with unionized employees, administrators would be also be subject to that same amount.

For the complete board agenda, including supporting documents, log on to the district’s website.

Karin McCarthy-lange June 27, 2011 at 07:05 pm
Steven - do you have the cost of the third HS information? It would be nice to see the cost comparison of the two options. My understanding is that the third HS was estimated at $104 million but I have not confirmed this with the District 308 administration.
When I add up the two addition costs on the low end, I come up with approx. $72 million for an additional 1600 capacity. Comparing that with $104 million for an additional 2400 capacity and the cost per student and the third HS come out to be less expensive per student.
patricia hish June 27, 2011 at 08:30 pm
Do we have any estimates on operating cost? Is the property included in this price? I'm taking a guess that it's not viable since we have a second piece of land still in the picture. An additional referendum would need to pass in order to operate, do we have any idea the dollar amount we'd need to ask from the taxpayers. With construction costs at an all time low these numbers should come down unless they have agreements already.
Steven Jack (Editor) June 27, 2011 at 08:33 pm
Karin, The cost for the third high school has been estimated at $104 million.
Steven Jack (Editor) June 27, 2011 at 08:36 pm
Patricia, Discussion on operating costs can be found here.
http://oswego.patch.com/articles/high-school-overcrowding-discussion-continued-to-june-27
russ harrison July 7, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Well let's just see what costs are inflated...So far, with one phone call I found I can save over 20% on those lockers estimates(delivered and installed at prevailing wage) and still buy a new car with my profit.That is, IF we actually need all those itty bitty lunchpail lockers they spec'd.
Figure another 100 grand savings in blueprint and spec printing costs by purchasing used equipment and doing that chore in-house (its NOT rocket science folks and the equipment is readily available for pennies on the market). Then we have the artificial turf item. 850 grand...per school. Temporary heat costs of 100 grand...how about we schedule the project to minimize the need for that item.Buy or rent portable commercial ELECTRIC heaters and tap the existing electric as needed. HUGE savings. Whenever an estimate is done by an entity that stands to be paid based upon a percentage of the costs, then the motivation to reduce costs is reduced. Some of these "opinions" are archaic and inflated, with no regard to the abilities of the construction team OSD has in-house. The Facilities/Construction Director gets paid a decent wage to perform these duties, so let them do the estimates. Unless they were just "check writing bureacrats" they should know how to cut 25-30% on many items.
russ harrison July 7, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Now lets look at something that doesn't have a "spiff' on it. This is a 3 year project worth 80 million dollars. Yet, the CM (construction management) allowance is only 562 grand per school spread over 3 years. So, a Project manager and 2-3 site Supt plus support staff have to split up 187 grand per year? To do project that requires much more expertise than slapping up a new building? That doesn't make much sense.
If the GC or CM is limited by contract to 3.5% profit after audit, then a base project of 80 million dollars would get them 2.8 million, plus profits on extras. So, if the GC or CM has these figures in mind and provide those services in their contract, then why do we pay 1.125 million in redundancy? If the "opinions" are suggesting that 1.125 million dollars CM fees for a project of this scope spread over 3 years are reasonable, then somebody is woefully optimistic or is buying very poor talent. The figures come from the 308 website. You have to really dig to get them, but they are there, along with the vendors' (the people we paid for the "opinions") disclaimer regarding the accuracy of those figures.
patricia hish July 7, 2011 at 02:20 pm
Russ, who would have thought that "Band-Aids" were so complicated. Peel, stick your done.
DARKSIDE July 7, 2011 at 08:58 pm
WOW Russ I think you hit a nerve in someones head here. Looking for used lockers and having them painted, fixed and installed could save dollars for sure, maybe! The solution is doing a really (100%) job on saving $$$ no matter what is done/built. Case in point check the cost of Orchard Road about 1/2 of the estimated from the engineers from the state. Why.....sign of the times! Hold the fire to the feet and see how much can be saved. It's time to make the Schools and Villages accountable always and on everything ( IT'S OUR MONEY ) !
russ harrison July 7, 2011 at 10:56 pm
The lockers aren't used. They are brand new. But...looking at refurbished with the same warranty also makes sense, we would probably save even more money. Great ideas. Her's another idea...bring back the building trades program and let them do the office furniture installations. The guy they fired always turned a positive cash flow so why not bring him back and let him run it? We aren't required to pay prevailing wage for an OJT (on the job training) program and will probably qualify for a federal grant. Seems like a workable idea. BTW> does everyone know that OSD's construction manager has left? If not, why not call and verify?
russ harrison July 7, 2011 at 11:00 pm
I love precision surgery. It takes less band-aids, but personally, I wear Snoopy and Transformers plastic bandages sometimes even when I'don't need them. It covers the work that took so much effort. (Who cares, the gal that stitched me didn't get the big bucks anyway....)
russ harrison July 7, 2011 at 11:02 pm
How much has Klube made over the years from OSD? What is their contract?
russ harrison July 7, 2011 at 11:06 pm
My next cost saving idea...Prevailing wage V Union. Do you have to use union on a public works job if the local contractors meet the prevailing wage requirement? Anyone want to comment on this?
patricia hish July 7, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Not going to happen. I'm 99.99% sure on that one.
russ harrison July 7, 2011 at 11:40 pm
What if....? Baum and Barr are made the head honchos for this project? Toss in a finance guy from within the staff and our own public input and we may have a really great cost reduction.Or..are we all talk and no action? Here's my action...I'll give 8 people jobs, pay prevailing wage and give a bonus, and still beat a certain line item by 10%..20% if the lawyers don't get involved Anyone else want to match that? It can be done. Just pull up the Kluber cost "opinions" and talk to a construction professional. This is OUR money folks. It's time to take a stand.

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